I remember in the 1986 when some JWs insisted that Gorbachev was the man in the Bible, Gog, etc, because of his mark on the forehead. If you look into history, there were hundreds of politicians, kings, royals, and dictators who were through to be prophesied in the Bible. Charles IV, Robespierre, Nero, Attila, Alaric, were all considered to be mentioned in bible or were believed to be antichrist.
Posts by kaik
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14My dub aunt thinks Obama is mentioned in the bible.
by Jehovah lol inshe's not even american and doesn't live in the usa so it's not even her area of political awareness really.
she seems convinced that obama is the prophesied wolf in sheep's clothing mentioned in revelation.. it's unusual for non-us dubs to hold the weirder beliefs, so this is a new one for me.
she also said that the end is very close now and that things are a foot with north korea; it's clearly the king of the north.. she said exactly the same thing 5 years ago about china, and exactly the same thing 10 years ago about iraq.. derp derp..
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Do current JWs like to have Bible discussions?
by Magnum inon another thread rufus t. firefly made this interesting comment:.
my wife is a "zealous" regular pioneer who never talks about the bible or "the truth" and who has no interest in conducting a bible study with anyone.
this is how one remains a jw.. i decided to start a new thread to discuss this, since i didn't want to veer completely off the topic of the original thread.. i can relate to what rufus said - not concerning my wife, but other close jw family members.
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In the 1980's behind the Iron Curtain with insufficient WT publications, we used to conduct Bible studies at home in group of 5 to 10. We discussed what we read and shared one WT publication to trying to figure out what was written there. These studies were really nice as many people had different opinion, and there was not strict guidelines as they were mostly transmitted orally and not official. After 1989, these biblical discussion ended, and primary responsibility on christian ideology was derived from WT only. It was also discouraged that we should not study bible on our own that could sidetrack us to apostate thinking. I have noticed that many JWs who came into the cult at that time had very limited knowledge of the Bible and could not even locate many well known events in it. When I talk to my JWs relatives and point stuff in the Scriptures they are often surprised to see them but they are not aware at all that it was even there. -
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every meeting there's a new plea for money?!
by purrpurr inwow!
i haven't been here for a while and everything's changed!.
anyway i've been really noticing how at every meeting it seems there's yet another new thing that needs funding or another reminder to donate.
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Smiddy, I do not know when it started, but in past two years I hear complains from my JW family that WT needs more money and donations. My mom often points out that 20 years ago nobody asked her; but back then we had donated a lot of money so we can build our first KH, which was build from our local contributions. Since my mom contributes for decades and surely every week when she is on program, she felt it insulted when elderette asked her why she puts only 100 crowns (which is the smallest paper bill) when she could afford to put more. All my JW relatives who are in different congregations complained that the donations are demanded and required instead of a time, when they were voluntary as I remember. I left the cult in April of 1994, so I do know only the religion who was at that time, which surely evolved into organized group with well paid priesthood.
I think the money is the biggest reason behind awakening of both of my sibling and my mom, instead flip flopping doctrines, and all other BS with JW religion. At least both of them feel that WT is not right on this. Money is something that people relate to it more on personal level,than 7 times of 360 nonsense and parousia, and this shakes more in their beliefs than all other nonsense.
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every meeting there's a new plea for money?!
by purrpurr inwow!
i haven't been here for a while and everything's changed!.
anyway i've been really noticing how at every meeting it seems there's yet another new thing that needs funding or another reminder to donate.
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In my KH in Czech Republic as far I remember when JWs were legalized, the box was always at the door and was visible to everyone. Since my mom donates 100 Czech crown (only green bill) which is the lowest paper denomination, everyone could see what she donates. ($1 USD is 20 or so crowns, so she put about 5 dollars every week). 20 years ago she used (and I did as well) to donate 50 crowns every week. Last year and this years she repeatedly told me that elders and elderettes whined why she does not donate more, since she does not have any significant expenses (I paid her house off, thus she does not pay mortgage nor rent)...
She does not want to donate more, because the district overseer drives expensive car, ask local congregation to take him and his b.tch wife to dinner, and ask for other field expenses. She thinks that he is lazy and takes advantage of congregation. She worked for 50 years, and does not feel to subsidize anyone living standard.
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every meeting there's a new plea for money?!
by purrpurr inwow!
i haven't been here for a while and everything's changed!.
anyway i've been really noticing how at every meeting it seems there's yet another new thing that needs funding or another reminder to donate.
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kaik
I heard this complain from all my JWs relatives, which is one of the reason why they are dissatisfied with WT and doubt the organization, FDS, and JW society. My mom donates about $5 equivalent every week, and she was told that she is not spiritually very strong because she does not donate enough. This is in country where average pensions are $600 per month. She is very pissed and she told me several times that the demand for money is turning into extortion because she does not want to donate more. The same complains were from my sibling and my niece. My mom friend donated several thousands of her widow's inheritance and cashed her life savings to KH in distress. -
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I Let Go Of Faith Ten years Ago Today
by cofty inafter more than 30 years as a jw and 9 as a born-again christian i finally let go of faith 10 years ago today.... it was on boxing day 2004 that news of the asian tsunami put the final nail in the coffin of my relationship with god.
since that time i have listened attentively to every possible argument in defense of faith; there has never been a single moment that i have felt any discomfort with my decision.. life without god has been liberating.
no longer do i have to defend the indefensible.
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In April it will be 21 years for me what I walked away from JW faith. I stopped believing in Xtian BS couple years later. Although I do still believe in the existence of Deity, I still consider liberating from religious indoctrination and nonsense of bible. -
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I have had to create a new account
by cantleavehasleft inat least my user name is more accurate now.
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My PS2 and Toshiba laptop. I have still original playstation from 12 years ago that plays. I had Toshiba for years until my step dad drop it accidentally from the coffee table. All other laptops I have and had were not so good.
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If Your JW Parent Died Would YOU Go To The Kingdom Hall For The Talk?
by minimus ini would like your thoughts, please..
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Nooooo! I will not have hers funeral at KH. When my father died my JWs relatives tried to disrupt funeral, and the same happened when my grandmother died, because they decided to take first two rows in the church and refused to have my cousins refused to carry the coffin because "JWs do not do that". When my JW aunt and uncle died, I did not got to their funeral. Last thing I want to do on my mom's funeral to make a donkey from myself.
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2nd and 3rd Genners -- Did the passing of the 1st/2nd Gen. cause doubts for you?
by Apognophos ini can't discuss my family history here in detail while i'm still fading, but suffice to say that i'm a third-generation witness.
my grandparents' generation of witnesses expected the end to come in the middle of the 20th century.
they led spartan lives and largely went without having kids, as they awaited the imminent new system.
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My mom and stepdad are mid seventees to eighty and the end did not come as they hoped 40 years ago. My JW aunt who introduced into family already died. She has from ther line three generations already where her sons are mid 50's or more. My non JW grandmother was born when Victoria was still a queen and Franz Joseph ruled Austrian Empire. I remember clearly how my elderly pointed out that she is the generation of 1914 and will see the end. She saw only her end, but at least, she lived almost entire century. Everyone I knew who were the 1914 generation is gone. The generation that came after them like my parents are getting there. WT does not care when the generation will die out. They will point out that generation(s) is actually biogenesis of multiple generations where people witnessed transformation. This was explained to us in the 1994 in the study, but I was on my way out. My sibling than tried to bring me in by explaining from the elder that multiple generations could span for several centuries and compared to people who lived at Renaissance. All generation that lived from 1400 to 1600 were part of one Renaissance generation, one biogenesis. So we can be living industrial generation all these people from Russell to 2100 could be a part of the same generation.