Abusive parent relationship is bad. I was a friend with JW woman who had violent mother, who was known all over the village for her temper. As a small girl she got beat up by her regularly, and her father succumbed to alcoholism. In one of her mom rage, she took a knife a chased her around the house until neighbors had to intervene. What I have heard she moved out, left KH, and never talked to her parents again. Generally there is tendencies for violence and abuse from a father, but I have heard and seen when mothers could turn into monsters.
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31Can they disfellowship my father?
by cookiemaster inthis has nothing to do with my facebook endeavors.
when the elders visited us last week, they also discussed my father.
my mother called them about him.
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CO says "WE ARE NOW AT THE THRESHOLD OF THE THE GREAT TRIBULATION!"
by nowwhat? in40-50 years after saying "armegeddon is right around the corner" we are now making progress!!!.
gotta have a sense of humor to deal with this stuff..
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Unfortunately, my mom did not plan for retirement, has not savings, so she is surprised to have 80 years knocking on her door. 40 years ago my JW aunt and her extensive family insisted that Armageddon will be just behind the corner. Thanks that my mom worked for 40 years and she gets good pension; and I paid her house off, so she does not have any housing expenses except utilities. I know JWs at her age group, who are totally depended on social welfare and charity because they do not have sufficient social security credits, and no savings. This is in Europe where the social nest is a bit good. I also know several old JWs who use Catholic charity for food deliveries, otherwise, they would starve and live on very low food minimum. My mom tells me regularly that some of her peers envy her stable pension and complain that she worked instead putting Jehovah on first place. Last year elderette attacked my mom for putting only $5 dollars per week into KH fund and she told her that she could afford to put more.
It would be interesting to see how many JWs live in poverty and below minimum earnings in industrialized countries. In the Czech Republic they have the LOWEST education level from all questioned religious groups in decennial censuses. Low education comes hand to hand with poverty. I am not sure how is it in the Western Europe or Northern America, but in ex-communist block these people are on the bottom of social ladder.
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Anti-JW billboard going up in Texas
by sunny23 inthe first ever billboard has been crowd funded on reddit and will be going up.
i'm curious to know if it will cause a spark in any jw's who already have questions or doubts and lead them to research into the child abuse cases and lead them to the thought that the wt and gb are not inspired or gods mouthpiece.
at the very least it will provide people a topic of conversation and questions to the jw's who knock on their door: "so whats this whole sex abuse in kingdom halls thing about i saw on the billboard down the road?
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OMG once and for all, whats this idea of a three fold prophesy??
by sowhatnow inwell it happened again, i got annoyed at my mom telling me all about the co visit , and i couldn't help myself, i said' oh god mom its like the pope is visiting, all that info can be told with the regular elders you don't need 'special' people .. subjects ensue,.
she says 'your misled, your so wrong, no one else on the planet has the beliefs that we do, we are the only ones with the truth, i dont follow men, bla bla.. , 40 minuets... , misquotes all over the place, isaiah this and that, yada yada ' j"vah has to have an earthy organization to give us the proper food, bla bla.
i say ' no jesus is gods mediator, we don't need men and were told not to listen to men for they are imperfect.
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I heard the theology of threefold prophecy in the past outside JWs. I believe it was borrowed from fundamentalist evangelical movements in the 19th century. First prophecy was for Ancient Jews, second for early Christians, and the third prophecy was for a modern times. -
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Can they disfellowship my father?
by cookiemaster inthis has nothing to do with my facebook endeavors.
when the elders visited us last week, they also discussed my father.
my mother called them about him.
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Elders can DFs anyone without any reason or cause. If they decide that you do not belong to WT, they can DFs you on any grounds whatsoever. I knew people who were DFs for citing Bible as defense and they were booted right there. I knew a person who was DFs for upheld belief in older publication and was not willing to accept the new light as it was not making much sense. He was out.
If you live in Europe, almost every country in EU has laws against animal abuse and what your father did, can be considered felony. At least in the Czech Republic animal abuse of dogs and cat is a felony where first offense is punishable up to two years and second offense up to five years in prison.
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Do JWs Try To Convert Believers Of Islam?
by minimus inor do they regard them as they do ultra conservative jews and not waste their time with them, since as a people, they willfully abandoned jesus christ?
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Only JWs who ever were successful in coverts of Muslims were in Yugoslavia. There was actually very large JW community in Bosnia in Sarajevo. Judging by the name back under Tito, many of these converts were from Islam background and families. One interesting fact in Bosnia was that urban areas were dominantly Muslim owning legacy of Ottoman empire where Muslim people were intelligentsia of the administration. Rural areas was Christian Orthodox. But this was before the Bosnian war and I do not know how it changed since then. -
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CO says "WE ARE NOW AT THE THRESHOLD OF THE THE GREAT TRIBULATION!"
by nowwhat? in40-50 years after saying "armegeddon is right around the corner" we are now making progress!!!.
gotta have a sense of humor to deal with this stuff..
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When I used to go to KH, we had one elder there whose vocabulary would revolve around Armageddon only. He used to say in the 1980's that Armageddon will be within next year or even sooner. Year after year. Someone wanted to pain the house? Why to bother, Armageddon will be sooner before you finish your paint job. He inherited house from his parents, and over these years it turned into ruin as he and his wife never fixed. Around 1990 his roof almost caved in and he said that it was not worth to fix it, because Armageddon was soooo damn clooooose. When I was in my hometown 2 years ago, the ruin was still there and he still live in that shack. I have seen JWs who insisted to never grow old and die, but they did. My JW aunt was like that. When she died around 2000, her kids kept everything she had like that because resurrection will just happen and she will need to have all the cloths...etc. My cousins alone are in mid 50's and considering their unhealthy lifestyle, obesity, and lack of medical care due negligence of their health, they will be soon on their way out.. But Armageddon is so close. -
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I donate from time to time to charity, last time last weekend. We had participated in AIDS walk, Breast Cancer, child leukemia, Katrina. Specific issues. I have not donated to JW cause since 1994. Back then I was giving equivalent $2 per week in local currency. My mom gives to KH about $5 every week. -
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why did man go from living 900 years to 90?
by sowhatnow ini cant recall the scripture, where it says than only a few men will he live to be 80 years or so, can anyone recall that?.
so then im wondering, if it is a fact that men lived long years 900 in some cases, for what reason would god limit our lifespan if our time is so short compared to his?.
how on earth does man go from living 8 and 9 hundred years down to 80 to 100 ?.
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This is one of the typical fairy tale Bible babble. There is not biological possibility that any mammal could live that long. Even whales who have very long life span or turtles do not live 900 year. Even fossils indicate that large dinosaurs lived between 60 to 80 years the most.
Egyptian and Babylonian myths are full of long lived people, but there is no any excavated evidence that anyone lived beyond 100 years. While old age over 90 was not very common in ancient times, it was not as surprising. Ramses II lived probably to the age 90+. Several ancient monarchs lived closed that age as well. In late antiquity many monks lived long age like Cassiodorus who died 100 years old, and Saint Nilo 95 years. These are documented ages as these people were very active and left extensive trails of documents over their long life span.
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Worst Bible Verse ... EVER
by Wild_Thing infrom the nwt, of course.
none of the other versions make it sound any better, either.
2 timothy, chapter 2 has been used and abused to suppress women everywhere.
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My since childhood was I. Timothy 5:3 through 16. Especially attack on widows, and some of them just do not make sense like making younger widows get married and have children by arbitrary age 60. Entire chapter is deeply misogynistic and hypocritical.