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  What are the consequences if a JW files for an unscriptural divorce?

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in january my wife separated from me, because she views me as an apostate (to make the story short).. at that time the elders explained to us, that the bible doesn't approve of such a separation.

  i heard from my mother in law, that my wife finally wants to divorce.

  (when i think of how my wife treated me the last year i actually want a divorce too).. now my question to you:.

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  Daniel1555

  Thanks for your answers.

  Dozy: She moved to another congregation 500 km away. I was just wondering if they would give her some restrictions like not allowed to answer at meetings or as you said no aux. pioneering.
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  What are the consequences if a JW files for an unscriptural divorce?

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in january my wife separated from me, because she views me as an apostate (to make the story short).. at that time the elders explained to us, that the bible doesn't approve of such a separation.

  i heard from my mother in law, that my wife finally wants to divorce.

  (when i think of how my wife treated me the last year i actually want a divorce too).. now my question to you:.

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  Daniel1555

  Just a little more info.

  In her eyes it is because of apostasy. I am officially not df. In the elders eyes I am a brother who has big doubts.
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  What are the consequences if a JW files for an unscriptural divorce?

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in january my wife separated from me, because she views me as an apostate (to make the story short).. at that time the elders explained to us, that the bible doesn't approve of such a separation.

  i heard from my mother in law, that my wife finally wants to divorce.

  (when i think of how my wife treated me the last year i actually want a divorce too).. now my question to you:.

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  Daniel1555

  In January my wife separated from me, because she views me as an apostate (to make the story short).

  At that time the elders explained to us, that the bible doesn't approve of such a separation.

  I heard from my mother in law, that my wife finally wants to divorce. (When I think of how my wife treated me the last year I actually want a divorce too).

  Now my question to you:

  Are there any "theocratic" consequences for the one partner who files for an unscriptural divorce? If yes, what are those consequences / restrictions?
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  HOLY HELL!!! These people are freaking watchtarded!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just got done with the first day of the rc!

  freaking delusion!!

  propaganda films a go-go!!

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  Daniel1555

  hey DD. Glad you have the 1st day behind you.

  I am so happy not to attend the convention for the first time. When I still go from time to time to the meetings and it happens that they discuss all the details about the International convention in Frankfurt and the 500 km. trip there, hotel stuff etc. I just keep laughing inside.

  I'm just wondering what face the brothers will show, when they find out that I am not attending.

  Just one little story that happened at the last international convention I attended in Frankfurt. I had the great privilege to help out as an attendant. In the football stadium the ranks with seats are really steep. So the brothers have to walk a lot of stairs. Now the whole day it was a hot summer day with more than 30° celsius. It was crazy to wear ties with such a heat. So I saw a middle aged brother who was fighting his way up the stairs. His tie was very tight, his face pale and full of sweat. As he paused, I approached him and asked if he was alright and said he should drink enough and maybe loosen his tie. He said I shouldn't worry, he's OK. At the time he reached his seat he fell unconscious and they had to call the ambulance. At that convention they needed the ambulance quite often.
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  How do individual JW's justify Jehovah's Old Testament orders to kill little children even babies (amalekites, canaanites)?

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in 1. samuel 15:2-3 we read jehovah's order to kill "all" amalekites.

  it says "you are to put them to death, man as well as woman, child as well as infant...".

  in deuteronomy 2:32-34 the israelites say about sihon.

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  Daniel1555

  Thanks Legacy for your comments.

  I agree with you that we should spend "quality" time with our children and not neglect them.
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  How do individual JW's justify Jehovah's Old Testament orders to kill little children even babies (amalekites, canaanites)?

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in 1. samuel 15:2-3 we read jehovah's order to kill "all" amalekites.

  it says "you are to put them to death, man as well as woman, child as well as infant...".

  in deuteronomy 2:32-34 the israelites say about sihon.

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  Daniel1555

  Of course I am not higher as god. And of course I would never judge god or question his reasons and his love.

  But I cannot "believe" in such a picture of my creator. I believe in god, but I believe he is much different than the bible describes him / her / it. I also believe he created the natural laws in a way that life can evolve (theistic evolution).

  Therefore I don't believe these accounts come from the true creator. I prefer to believe that these accounts about genocide and killings are not infallible and picture not the true creator but just the tribal god of Israel.

  I think that ancient Israel falsely thought, god orders these things. And it was written down.

  Or some leaders of the Israelites have invented god's orders to have a reason to take the land.
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  How do individual JW's justify Jehovah's Old Testament orders to kill little children even babies (amalekites, canaanites)?

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in 1. samuel 15:2-3 we read jehovah's order to kill "all" amalekites.

  it says "you are to put them to death, man as well as woman, child as well as infant...".

  in deuteronomy 2:32-34 the israelites say about sihon.

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  Daniel1555

  In 1. Samuel 15:2-3 we read Jehovah's order to kill "all" Amalekites. It says "you are to put them to death, man as well as woman, child as well as infant..."

  In Deuteronomy 2:32-34 the Israelites say about Sihon. "We captured all his cities at that time and devoted every city to destruction, including men, women, and children. We left no survivor."

  In Deuteronomy 3:3-6 we read what the Israelites did to 60 cities of Bashan: "However we devoted them to destruction, just as we had done to King Sihon of Heshbon, in devoting every city to destruction, including men, women, and children."

  So the bible is clear, that Jehovah God himself ordered the genocides of the Amalekites (because of revenge, as they hindered the Israelites 400 years earlier) and the Canaanites.

  JW and other christian literature justify these accounts of genocide as follows:

  1. Those nations deserved it to be wiped out as they did themselves evil things like child sacrifice.

  2. God has given life. So he can decide for himself to whom he will take life away without us questioning him.

  3. God is just and does always what is right. Who are we to judge his actions. He had his reasons, even if we don't know them.

  How does a JW who believes Jehovah is love in person and that these accounts are "infallible" inspired of god, justify these commands to kill children, even infants?

  I let a few friends give me their opinion:

  1. My wife who separated from me because she believes I am an apostate

  My wife said that Jehovah is above everything else. If Jehovah orders something, no human is in a position to question it but has to follow it. So I asked her if she would kill someone if he orders it. To my horror she said "YES, but he isn't ordering it."

  (When I hear this I keep thinking of "suicide bombers". They are killing themselves and many others just because they "believe" that God is requesting this from them).

  2. A friend

  He thinks that Jehovah sees the whole picture. He will ressurect the killed innocent ones (for example children). He thinks it would have been worse, if those children survived and had to live traumatized without their parents with the Israelites who were the murderers.

  3. Another friend

  He thinks that Jehovah's angel was with the Israelites when they did these things. This angel (he thinks probably Jesus) would have taken care, that these children didn't suffer pain when they were killed (my jaw just dropped when I heard that. Those children and babies were slaughtered by swords. How could they not suffer pain as they were cut in pieces?). He believes they will get a resurrection and go straight to paradise, which would anyway have been better than to live a canaanite life.

  Do you know of other JW justifications of all these cruel OT accounts?
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  International Convention

  by msconcerned in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  an email forwarded to a friend.

  what do you make of it?.

  below is a report about preparing for the seattle, washington international convention.

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  Daniel1555

  Jehovah blesses the convention preparations like he blessed the printing of the 'silver sword' (weather).

  I am so happy and relieved to NOT attend the first time a convention in my life (35 years old).
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  If you are thinking about "Stepping Down" you better do it QUICK!

  by Comatose in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the new arrangement for co's to handle deletions (and appointments) means you no longer will be able to give your friends on the body an excuse and step down.

  you will have to answer to the co and most likely have a long uncomfortable chat about everything with him in order to step down.

  so if you have been thinking about stepping down, you need to do it quick before the new arrangement..

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  Daniel1555

  As I stepped down I wrote a letter with my doubts to the COBE and that I want to resign. They tried to change my mind, as I did a lot of work and if I resigned they would have to do it.

  As the CO came a few weeks later, he talked about 1 hour with me about my doubts and resignation and he had to accept it.

  After that talk I went outside, breathed deeply and felt so happy as a huge wheight was off my chest.

  I think that new arrangement is not such a big change. Before it was the CO who wrote to tge branch that brother xx should be appointed as elder. Now he probably can do that just without waiting for the branch or governing body nodding their heads.
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  "The Devil is at Work!"

  by HeyThere in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i consider myself a christian.

  seriously did not even think that jw was that much different...but now i know better and it has my mind spinning.

  i have stopped answering questions, say my own prayers to god at the meetings, and plastr on a fake smile.

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  Daniel1555

  You were very courageous.

  Your husband now knows about your true feelings. That's good especially as you will have surgery.

  I would advice you to be slow to address more things to him. Just let it sink down to him. Do not overwhelm him.

  I wish you and your husband all the best.