Posts by Daniel1555

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I told the elders that I would take blood and donate blood

by Daniel1555 in

i found it important to be honest with my wife.

so i told her about my conscience decision that in a medical urgency i want blodless medicine but if a transfusion of blood or the 4 prohibited components is necessary to save my life or health i would accept it.

this would apply especially also for our child (that is not such a problem as in our country the wts recommends to comply with doctors as they have the right to decide concerning minors).. i showed her the reasons why i came to that conscience decision (biblical and logical reasons) and that jehovah and jesus do not like anyone to die because of this wrong bible application.. .

Daniel1555

Vidiot: I agree with you.

Desirous of change: All the "fractions" of erythrozytes, leukozytes, thrombozytes and plasma (red and white blood cells, platelets and plasma) are permitted or as they say a conscience matter.

The unlogical things: All of it is derived from blood donations (hundreds or thousands just for one treatment of 'clotting factors'). Some fractions are much bigger than the forbidden components. In mother milk are more white blood cells than in the same amount of blood. That means a baby is allowed to drink white blood cells but is forbidden to have them infused in a medical urgency.

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Why the field service reports?

by Syme in

some years ago, we had this difficult bible study with a guy who was unofficially a witness for about 40 years, yet he would never make the step of becoming an unbaptized publisher.

we pushed him at some point to tell us the reason, and the reason was this: he didn't agree with the field reports practice.

he said he did a lot of preaching by himself but didn't see any reason to report it to the congregation.. of course, we told him that the reason we hand in field reports is so that we have statistics, and know how much work is done worldwide and bla-bla-blah.

Daniel1555

I know of some brothers who don't agree with that practice. They told the elders that they are not turning any reports in even though they do a lot of preaching. I think it would be good to listen to your conscience. If it doesn't allow you to turn in a report, just don't do it. The elders can do nothing about it anyway.

I decided not to do field service anymore. From now on I don't report anymore.

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I told the elders that I would take blood and donate blood

by Daniel1555 in

i found it important to be honest with my wife.

so i told her about my conscience decision that in a medical urgency i want blodless medicine but if a transfusion of blood or the 4 prohibited components is necessary to save my life or health i would accept it.

this would apply especially also for our child (that is not such a problem as in our country the wts recommends to comply with doctors as they have the right to decide concerning minors).. i showed her the reasons why i came to that conscience decision (biblical and logical reasons) and that jehovah and jesus do not like anyone to die because of this wrong bible application.. .

Daniel1555

Vidiot: Well I can tell you they don't like to talk about that subject, because the whole thing is unlogical from the core. I mean how can you truly say life is holy and then in the same sentence that you refuse blood products in a last resort situation. Moreover the whole fraction thing made it even more stupid.

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CO explaining at Circuit Assembly how to measure neighbourly love

by Daniel1555 in

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friends

i attended the circuit assembly this weekend.

it was boring as always (except for one positive thing that was said was that we should be gentle especially the elders).. there was one thing that left me absolutely speechless.

the co was explaining how to measure neighbourly love: by the amount of time spent in fieldservice.. the next point he mentioned was that we should strictly adhere to the disfellowshipping arrangments and not find excuses to speak to df family members.. .

Daniel1555

I attended the circuit assembly this weekend. It was boring as always (except for one positive thing that was said was that we should be gentle especially the elders).

There was one thing that left me absolutely speechless. The CO was explaining how to measure neighbourly love: BY THE AMOUNT OF TIME SPENT IN FIELDSERVICE.

The next point he mentioned was that we should strictly adhere to the disfellowshipping arrangments and not find excuses to speak to df family members.

In other words. People who go to 3rd world countries for example as nurses or doctors in their free time without pay, or some who cook by their own means for people without food and shelter. No they don't show neighbourly love.

The pioneer and elder who spends 70 hours a month in field service thereby neglecting his wife, not speaking to his aged disfellowshipped mother; well he is the real HERO IN NEIGHBOURLY LOVE.

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I told the elders that I would take blood and donate blood

by Daniel1555 in

i found it important to be honest with my wife.

so i told her about my conscience decision that in a medical urgency i want blodless medicine but if a transfusion of blood or the 4 prohibited components is necessary to save my life or health i would accept it.

this would apply especially also for our child (that is not such a problem as in our country the wts recommends to comply with doctors as they have the right to decide concerning minors).. i showed her the reasons why i came to that conscience decision (biblical and logical reasons) and that jehovah and jesus do not like anyone to die because of this wrong bible application.. .

Daniel1555

Frankiespeaking: In my letter to the branch I politely asked for them to answer some specific and hard questions (as I know their wishy washy answers). I doubt that they even send a reply because I sent the letter 2 months ago. Or maybe they will tell the CO or the elders to deal with it (who will not be able to give real answers as even the smartest of the HLC elders of our country couldn't).

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Be honest. Am I an abusive Father??

by DATA-DOG in

i was angry with my kid for questioning me.

i work, i pay the bills, i provide food, clothing and shelter for them.

instead of respect, i get attitude.

Daniel1555

Hi DD

Of course sometimes we can be angry.

Patience is sometimes difficult. But just think that young ones oftwn think differently that we adults or fathers.

If you apologize to your child he or she will learn a great lesson. That it is important to apologize when we say something hurtful.

Have a good day. I know the convention is hard to bear.

Daniel

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Could we quantify how many posters their are from different nations ? Would you like to know ?

by smiddy in

maybe its just me , i`m just curious as to how many people on this site are from australia as i am .

how many from germany , italy , zambia , etc.

etc.. do two or three "countries " seem to dominate the threads ?

Daniel1555

I am from Switzerland

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Interview with an Apostate: OnTheWayOut

by OnTheWayOut in

tell us a little about yourself and your family.. my mother joined the frenzy when the end of the world was coming in 1975. her sister-in-law was first recruited and got her in.

when the end didnt come, mom was disfellowshipped shortly afterward, but she went back a few years later.

i did not care to go with her.

Daniel1555

dear OTWO

Thanks so much.

I always enjoy reading your truly reasonable posts. They already helped much for me.

Daniel

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I told the elders that I would take blood and donate blood

by Daniel1555 in

i found it important to be honest with my wife.

so i told her about my conscience decision that in a medical urgency i want blodless medicine but if a transfusion of blood or the 4 prohibited components is necessary to save my life or health i would accept it.

this would apply especially also for our child (that is not such a problem as in our country the wts recommends to comply with doctors as they have the right to decide concerning minors).. i showed her the reasons why i came to that conscience decision (biblical and logical reasons) and that jehovah and jesus do not like anyone to die because of this wrong bible application.. .

Daniel1555

Rebel8: By reading JWN it's without doubt table of demons. Well, he means any kind of information apart from WT.

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I told the elders that I would take blood and donate blood

by Daniel1555 in

i found it important to be honest with my wife.

so i told her about my conscience decision that in a medical urgency i want blodless medicine but if a transfusion of blood or the 4 prohibited components is necessary to save my life or health i would accept it.

this would apply especially also for our child (that is not such a problem as in our country the wts recommends to comply with doctors as they have the right to decide concerning minors).. i showed her the reasons why i came to that conscience decision (biblical and logical reasons) and that jehovah and jesus do not like anyone to die because of this wrong bible application.. .

Daniel1555

Konceptual

Thanks very much for your points. I am curious if they leave me like this. Maybe another elder will urge them to talk to me again this time by 2 elders, I don't know. I am also wondering if to have the conviction of unrepentantly taking blood would be action enough to disassociate by action. I think I will soon find out.