for everyone who's watched.... or is in the process of watching the show..... .
please feel free to post your comments.... reactions.... quotes that stood out in your mind here!.
love, scully
WHEN, WHEN WHEN will it be available on Kazaa?
Please reply ASAP
thanks
is it ding dong the witch is dead?
no it's not the above that's an audio file
still waiting with bated breath
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sweety, wooohhhoooooo
many many many happy returns!
edited by - gizmo on 29 january 2003 20:7:32.
Now you made me cry you big Silly
Aren't there some so much nicer people here than the KH Cassandra?
for everyone who's watched.... or is in the process of watching the show..... .
please feel free to post your comments.... reactions.... quotes that stood out in your mind here!.
love, scully
Hope US Souther Folk get to see it too.
Sorry for your pain ((((PettyG))))), and all other survivors of abuse, remember what doesn't kill you, only serves to make you stronger.
Gizmo
sweety, wooohhhoooooo
many many many happy returns!
edited by - gizmo on 29 january 2003 20:7:32.
OBTS
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.edited by - rubytuesday on 22 january 2003 14:16:49.
I don't know but personally before my periods come, I like to take tee tree oil tablets, they really help ease the cramps.
there is a discussion on another board and we were discussing cults when a jw made the comment...
using the same standards that you guys are using... jesus and the apostles were a "cult"... .
i have heard other jws defend the term "cult" with the same illustration, so it definitely sounds like a parrotted answer from the wtbs.
*** w97 6/1 5-6 Secrecy in the Name of the Lord ***
The Dangers of Religious Secrecy
In view of such occurrences, is it any wonder that many people cast a wary eye in the direction of religious groups? Certainly no one would want to support a secret organization religious or nonreligious that misuses his trust and causes him to pursue goals with which he does not agree . What can people do, though, to avoid falling into the trap of involvement with secret societies of a questionable nature?
Obviously, anyone considering membership in a secret society would be wise to ascertain its real objectives . Pressure from friends or acquaintances should be guarded against , and decisions ought to be based not on emotion but on facts. Remember, it is likely the individual himselfnot otherswho will be called upon to suffer any possible consequences.
Following Bible principles is the surest method of steering clear of dangerous groups whose motives are less than honorable. (Isaiah 30:21) This involves maintaining political neutrality , showing love to others, even to enemies, avoiding the works of the flesh, and cultivating the fruitage of Gods spirit. Above all, true Christians must be no part of the world, even as Jesus was no part, and this course precludes participating in worldly secret societies.Galatians 5:19-23; John 17:14, 16; 18:36; Romans 12:17-21; James 4:4.
Jehovahs Witnesses are earnest students of the Bible who take their faith seriously and try openly to live accordingly. Worldwide, they are well-known as a religious group that seeks peace and pursues it. (1 Peter 3:11) Their book Jehovahs WitnessesProclaimers of Gods Kingdom correctly notes: Jehovahs Witnesses are in no sense a secret society. Their Bible-based beliefs are fully explained in publications that are available to anyone. Additionally, they put forth special effort to invite the public to attend meetings to see and hear for themselves what takes place.
True religion in no way practices secretiveness. Worshipers of the true God have been instructed not to hide their identity or to obscure their purpose as Jehovahs Witnesses. The early disciples of Jesus filled with their teaching. They were out in the open as to their beliefs and activity. The same is true of Jehovahs Witnesses today. Understandably, when dictatorial regimes wrongfully restrict freedom of worship, Christians must cautiously and courageously carry on their activity, obeying God as ruler rather than men, a situation that is forced upon them because of their courageous public witness.Acts 5:27-29; 8:1; 12:1-14; Matthew 10:16, 26, 27.
If it ever crossed your mind that Jehovahs Witnesses might be a secret cult or sect, that was likely because you knew too little about them. That must have been the situation with many in the first century.
Acts chapter 28 tells us of a meeting that the apostle Paul had in with the principal men of the Jews. They said to him: We think it proper to hear from you what your thoughts are, for truly as regards this sect it is known to us that everywhere it is spoken against. (Acts 28:16-22) In response, Paul explained the matter to them by bearing thorough witness concerning the , and some began to believe. (Acts 28:23, 24) It certainly was to their lasting benefit to get the actual facts concerning true Christianity.
Dedicated as they are to the open and public service of God, Jehovahs Witnesses will be happy to reveal the plain facts of their activity and beliefs to anyone who cares to know the facts. Why not investigate for yourself, thus being in position to be properly informed as to their faith?
Errr....Most here have and we have identified you as a CULT!
So Eat My Shorts!
just wanted to invite everyone for dinner.
my deep freezer decided to shut down on me again.
happens about once a year.
No wonder you're a HOT HOT HOT Tomali U_R, I love my food extra hot and spicy too
Now That's a spicy a meata ball
the common leader and his followers work mainly off of the desire to end isolation but the fanatical leader and his disciples incorporate the second primal fear, the fear of death, into the equation.
and by death i mean annihilation the utter obliteration of any and every bit of a persons earthly existence and legacy.
the leader who promises his people that adherence to his laws and teachings will not only relieve the pain of their isolation but also allow them to defy death, to achieve some kind of spiritual immortality through worthy deeds, that type of leader achieves a supreme control that the first type cant match and creates an entirely different kind of follower in the process.
Brummie,
Have a look at this site, haven't read it all myself yet
hope someone can enlighten me!!!!.
just curious as to who has legal ownership of the kh/ah.
most kh/ah are built with free labour and the loan for the hall comes from the society, which the cong then repays - hence the question.
GG,
The article you found was not on that exact link, I eventually found it, took a while, so I just thought i'd post the article for you, thanks for the excellent Link, it is now in my Favorites
Raking in Loan and Rent Monies How much money does the WT Society possibly rake in each month and each year for Kingdom Hall mortgages and Circuit Assembly Hall fees? There is no way to be certain, but I made the following estimates for your interest.
Amazing
There are approximately 7,000 JW congregations in the USA. Assuming that each Hall is shared by an average of two congregations (some have more and many have only one) then we can safely assume 3,500 Kingdom Halls in the USA. While I have no data on how many have outstanding loans with the Society, it has been my experience over 27 years serving in 9 different congregations in 3 states that each and every one has had a loan with the Society. But, for this discussion, I will assume 1,750 Kingdom Halls have loans.
While the Society in the early 1990s moved its interest rate up to 6%, I will conservatively assume that all outstanding loans today are back to the older 3% APR.
Some KH loans are small, maybe less than $100,000 and many are higher, but for this analysis, I will assume an average of $100,000 per Kingdom Hall still owing the Society on a mortgage. Back in the 1980s I knew of several congregations with mortgages of around $200,000. So, just using an average of $100,000 owed, then here is how it would break down:
1,750 Halls with an average of $100,000 Principle value = $175,000,000.00.
Monthly Principle and Interest payment at 3% over a 30 year mortgage on all $175,000,000 together sent in to the Society is:
$737,807.06 or $8,853,684.71 each year. Over the life of 30 years the Society would collect a total of $265,610,541.25!
Keep in mind that the above is a very rough and general estimate. While the actual loans outstanding might be smaller, they could as easily be greater. Also, not included are the outstanding loans on the multimillion dollar Circuit Assembly Halls in many parts of the USA.
James 2:15-17, "If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."
What are the works again that the early Christians talked about doing? And with millions of dollars coming in just from Kingdom Hall loans, does it not make us wonder how many poor JWs could be greatly helped? And in Africa a USA Dollar goes much farther, anywhere from 8 to 12 times the value in the USA. So that $8,853,684.71 the Society may be getting each year could equal anywhere from $70 million to $106 million in real buying power in many poor nations. Think of all the JWs that could be lifted out of poverty, and all the Kingdom Halls that could get a roof and maybe even the luxury of cushioned seats or air conditioning?
Someone mentioned on H20 earlier that the recent Circuit Assembly they attended requested over $9,000 to be sent in to the Society for use of the Circuit Assembly Hall. These Assembly Halls are used each weekend for assemblies, so, if each CA send is $9,000, then that means $36,000 per month is sent to the Society.
Each Assembly Hall holds about 1,500 maximum in attendance. These Halls are typically about 20,000 to 25,000 square feet or more. Using 20,000 sqft, this means that the Society is getting about $1.80 per sqft per month or an annual rate of $21.60 per sqft.
Common commercial lease, rates for such properties I managed run between $20 and $24 per square foot per year. So, the Society is doing very well in collecting comparable fees much like the rental market keeping up with common commercial rent rates.
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Simply Amazing,
does it bug you that there are notes about you stuck somewhere in a kingdom hall file cabinet?
i cant say that its kept me up at night, but it does bother me that there are notes from my judicial hearing (and a file) that i cant access but just about anyone with a little bit of nerve can.
anyway, i decided to call the po from the last congregation i was in and request that these notes be destroyed.
I don't think there is any way in heaven or on earth that they destroyed that document/file, the dead give away was that he ummed and rrrd when you first called him about it, next you write the society, they straight away would have called the PO at home, and told him if you enquired again, to tell you they were destroyed, in other words out and out LIE, it is policy to keep all records. It's in the Flock Book.
Unless you can get the PO and Body of Elders to sign a document that the file was destroyed (which I don't think they would sign), my bet is they still have it locked away somewhere.
In case someone takes the (b)org/congo. to court, for say psychological stresses, and had a shrink testify on their behalf, that it was caused by the CULT, well they could look back on the files and see what the circumstances of Dissing was?
They Lied before to you, what makes you think that they wouldn't lie now?
Wasn't there some sort of case in Scandinavia about files and freedom of information etc. I seem to remember something a while back about that.
Steph:
Do you have to verify your identity in anyway when joining? If not, then I could see a good actor playing havoc with the org.
No, not really, but if one was REALLY wanting back in, under another name, there's always the deed poll, and you don't have to tell anyone who you were, just who you are now. But I really wouldn't understand anyone wanting to live a lie like that, eventually it would eat them up, I know it would eat me up eventually! Also I just don't care to associate with this (b)org anymore and waste more of my life.
