Posts by BLISSISIGNORANCE

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How do women do it ????? Do you have no self respect ?????

by run dont walk in

jw
friends

125 years of the watchtower, and women are still considered garbage.. they cannot give talks, have a position in the congregation, cannot lead a study when a man is present, give a prayer etc etc etc etc.......... they can be of the annoited class, but a man who is a ms, still has more say !!!!!!!!!!.

to all the women on this board, did this ever bother you as a jw, and does it bother you know ???.

how can women sit at a meeting and in a round about way be treated like garbage and accept it ????

BLISSISIGNORANCE

OMG.............................bliss>convulsing.

thanks blondie for that bit of light-shedding on how the borg has regressed.

it just makes me happier and happier to have got out of such a crazy place.

cheers, bliss

6

Double-edged scriptures.

by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

i'm coming to you with a request.

i'm doing some personal study (lol) to get facts together for my friends who use to study with the dubs and dubs who are questioning the borg.. the whole time i was in the borg it never ceased to amaze me how the dubs (and i was guilty of this too) used scriptures to suite themselves.

one scripture (positive) applied to them, the jws, and another (negative) applied to the others, christendom, the world.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

ta matey, talk about Isa 5:20 hey!!!!!!!!!!!

..................wot a way for YOU to spend saturday night too?????????

is mrs ozzie snoozing?

anyhow, much appreciated. now off you go and get some rest.

had mum for dinner, dad went to watch the home team thrash the visitors. a couple of wines, i'm feelin' good.

nite ozzies...........

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How do women do it ????? Do you have no self respect ?????

by run dont walk in

jw
friends

125 years of the watchtower, and women are still considered garbage.. they cannot give talks, have a position in the congregation, cannot lead a study when a man is present, give a prayer etc etc etc etc.......... they can be of the annoited class, but a man who is a ms, still has more say !!!!!!!!!!.

to all the women on this board, did this ever bother you as a jw, and does it bother you know ???.

how can women sit at a meeting and in a round about way be treated like garbage and accept it ????

BLISSISIGNORANCE

oh yes................i hated and still do hate the way women are viewed and treated in the borg.

i had come out of a sick marriage and walked right into a cult. i had low self-esteem and was a people pleaser. a great combination for a disaster.

but i have always been seen as strong and out-spoken, so i started to think that was how i should act. and i did, and it didn't go down well with the ego maniac men in the borg. i challenged them and they hated it. so when they could they df'ed me.

well, i must have still been emotionally sick because i let them beat me up and i went back.............OMG. one elder said to my mother after i got reinstated that he thought my df'ing did me the world of good because now i was alot more humble and respectful. what a load of sh*#. i just didn't trust them anymore and viewed them as dangerous and evil.

yes, it sucks, the way women are treated in the borg. but while there are women allowing these men to have authority over them and abuse them, these men will continue to do so. us women need to stand up for ourselves.

that's it.

cheers, bliss

6

Double-edged scriptures.

by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

i'm coming to you with a request.

i'm doing some personal study (lol) to get facts together for my friends who use to study with the dubs and dubs who are questioning the borg.. the whole time i was in the borg it never ceased to amaze me how the dubs (and i was guilty of this too) used scriptures to suite themselves.

one scripture (positive) applied to them, the jws, and another (negative) applied to the others, christendom, the world.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

I'm coming to you with a request. I'm doing some personal study (LOL) to get facts together for my friends who use to study with the dubs and dubs who are questioning the borg.

The whole time I was in the borg it never ceased to amaze me how the dubs (and I was guilty of this too) used scriptures to suite themselves. One scripture (positive) applied to them, the JWs, and another (negative) applied to the others, Christendom, the world. The trick was to convince themselves and those listening that the scriptural application was true, the way they presented it. For example...............

1 Peter 2:12. (the things they are speaking against you as evildoers)
John 10:4-13. (The hired man who is no shephard)
2 Peter 2:1-3. (False prophets and teachers/exploit you with counterfeit words) Verse 17-19. (For they utter swelling expressions of no profit etc)
1 Cor 15:33 (Bad association)
Matt 12:35-37 (by your words you will be declared righteous or be condemned)
etc, etc, etc.

When I was in the borg the positive slant on the above scriptures refered to the WTS, GB, elders, COs, all dubs serving god..............the negative slant refered to everyone else as the bad. But now that I've left the borg and have had time to look at the same scriptures with an open mind, it seems that the scriptures could be applied in the opposite way. Do you agree?

So if any of you know any scriptures that can apply either way(double edged), please let me know so I can do up a list and look at them. Then I can have them clear in my mind if the opportunity comes up with dubs or anyone for that matter, to present them another way.

Thanks in advance.

Bliss.

12

Introducing Kelpie to dubs at the mall.

by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

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friends

well, not face to face...........after all she is df'ed.

lol.

kelpie and i had some fun at our local mall yesterday.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

OMG..........................IS THIS AN APOSTATE WEB SITE???????????????

LOL@RF.

Kelpie.............we had fun didn't we????????? You enjoyed seeing how dubs look the same everywhere and how you can spot them a mile away?

'Spot the dub' can become the next 'Friday night at the mall' activity.

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Introducing Kelpie to dubs at the mall.

by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

jw
friends

well, not face to face...........after all she is df'ed.

lol.

kelpie and i had some fun at our local mall yesterday.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

Well, not face to face...........after all she is df'ed. LOL.

Kelpie and I had some fun at our local mall yesterday. The situation is she is df'ed but I'm not (but I'm sure it won't be too long), hubby and I have faded and keeping a low profile. Kel and I were shopping and I was able to point out to her 7 dubs. One sister came and said hello to me just as Kelpie was getting her lunch, what a shame she missed being introduced to her.

The funny thing is that Kelpie isn't known to dubs here because she's from out of town and has never been to a meeting. But I know just about every dub here and because I'm not officially out they can talk to me, except the self-righteous ones that shun me because I'm inactive. So when we are together she gets to know who the dubs are yet they don't know who she is, and while with me they could end up talking to her..............OMG.........how funny.

The dubs in my area must be getting a bit confused by now because they keep seeing me with 'worldly' people everywhere I go. I'm always with my da'ed parents, work colleagues, members of a support group and df'ed people like kelpie. Last week I was at dinner at a local Asian restaurant with a few non-dubs and 2 MSs walked in for a meal, without their wives,mmmmmmmm. When one saw me he looked stunned and before he could work out what to do I made eye contact and then shunned him. IT FELT SOOO GOOD!

Oh, the games people play. Life is fun hey, especially when we leave the borg.

Have a good weekend and I pray you don't get any JWs witnessing in you area.

Cheers, bliss.

86

Have You Recieved Any Benefit From This Web Site???

by minimus in

jw
friends

are you happier since you've found this place?

if jwd were gone tomorrow, would you just look for another site to get involved with?

my opinion of this board is that it is one of the best boards to learn current information from.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

hi minimus. to answer your question..............YES!

when i went through all my dramas at the hands of the WTS i felt alone and trapped. i felt there was no way out and that i had to endure their abuse, lies and cruel treatment. i also felt alot of fear at the thought of working against god. so in short i had to convince myself, with the help of the borg, that everything that happened to me was allowed to refine me and to teach me endurance and to trust jehovah. what a load of BS.

this web site helped me to get information, to know that the borg was hurting a lot of people, therefore validation for me to leave with a clean conscience.

it has been sad to find out about the pain and suffering of many people here but on the up side it has introduced me to people who i respect and admire and have formed a close bond with.

this site has also been great for me and mr bliss in that it has brought us together with a long lost couple that we knew in the 'troof' and had lost touch with for 6 years. and i've also become a close friend of kelpie's.

so that's it in short.

cheers, bliss

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I am now officially Disfellowshipped

by kelpie in

jw
friends

talk about kicking you when you are down!

you all know i just lost my first baby through miscarriage and that my mum was supportive through out the whole ordeal... well it didn't last.

she called me last night and informed me that there had been a committee meeting held and that the elders had decided due to the circumstances that they would disfellowship me.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

hey kelpie........................as everyone else has said, enjoy the freedom, they have no authority over you anymore and it feels good right! just heal and get that happiness back. besides luv, "you're in" as we say in australia, "bloody good company mate."

i've been trying to get in touch, now i know why you were hard to get a hold of.

have a good weekend away and see you when you return. ring before you go if you like.

hugs, Bliss

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i DON'T THINK I CAN TAKE THE BRAINLESS CONVERSATIONS ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

jw
friends

omg......................how did i last 12 years in that mindless cult????????.

i had the opportunity over the weekend to talk to a couple of dubs, not by choice, but rather by misfortune.

why i say misfortune is because of the dumb conversations that took place with them.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

OMG......................how did I last 12 years in that mindless cult????????

I had the opportunity over the weekend to talk to a couple of dubs, not by choice, but rather by misfortune. Why I say misfortune is because of the dumb conversations that took place with them. It's been a long time since my hubby and I have been to a meeting so our exposure to JW thinking has been very little if none at all. Hence, conversing with dubs is proving VERY testing and frustrating.

A brother dropped in the other night, and although it was apparent that he has been doing alot of thinking about the borg etc, his ability to rationalise and justify was frightening. The twisted use of scripture, the 'imperfect men' answer, 'the jws have jehovah's spirit directing them'.............etc, etc..........just drove me mad. But I must say that when I told him about the UN scandal, his jaw dropped, while trying so hard to not look shocked and horrified.

Then the next day hubby and I bumped into another dub who mentioned that he hadn't seen us at meetings for a long time. My hubby told him as plain as day that we just weren't going anymore, we are sick of the policies that protect pedos and how much power the elders are given and abused. Then the crap flowed from his mouth, how no matter what anyone did to him, they would never stop him serving the true god jehovah. That jehovah allows men to make mistakes etc, etc, etc...............crap, crap, crap!

As hubby and I walked away from each conversation we just couldn't believe the level of brain-washing and control the WTS has over these people. When people can't think for themselves to the point that their natural feelings and reasoning is taken over by rationalising, and being more concerned about protecting the reputation of an organization rather than hating the protection of pedophiles....................you have got to wonder what is in these peoples heads. I know I was in it too once, and that I was a part of the crap that goes on there, but when I had to make a choice between right and wrong, there was no way I would put the WTS's name and reputation above my kids safety, or being truthful to people at the door. When I found out about the lies and corruption I had to leave, there was nothing else to do or think about.

These people who defend the borg and all it's filthy activities, after coming to know about them, are responsible for their actions and choices. I have concluded after speaking with dubs, that they are sticking with the borg for some personal gain. Whether it's to play it safe for protection at armageddon, or to have privelages and status now, maybe to control their spouses or children...............whatever the reason, they are being selfish, responsible and therefore reprahensible. I'm sick of hearing their answers, I'm sick of their reasoning, I'm sick of their sick minds.

It freaks me out sometimes when I think I was with them once, but it's never to late to change and stop being a part of some sick and disfunctional lifestyle. Every person on earth has free will and as far as I'm concerned every dub that stays in the borg after knowing what the WTS has done are disgusting. That's the conclusion I've come to after the conversations I had with dubs over the weekend. I use to feel sorry for them, or think they were just naive, but I now believe it has to do with corrupt thinking and feeling.

I hope I never have to feel the frustration of another conversation with a dub again................I don't think I can take anymore.

Has anyone else had similair conversations and feelings?

That's my whine for the week, now I'll have a red.

Cheers, Bliss

105

I lost my baby

by kelpie in

i come to you with a heavy heart and tears in my eyes.

tuesday 27th may 2003 at 12.30 am, i misscarried my first baby.

i was 9 weeks pregnant.

BLISSISIGNORANCE

kelpie and rick.................sorry for your loss. big hug to you both and will come and see you with mr bliss over the next few days. we'll ring first ok. if you need anything between now and then.............ring.

we're there for you, just around the corner.

luv yas,

bliss