This is all priceless. I'm visiting my recently-enlightened mother soon - I'm taking this thread with me! Thanks everyone.
gorgia
been going nuts looking for this.. i am sure i have read, and probably saved, a quote by them about not being false prophets but i am buggered if i can find it anywhere in search, google or my own pc.. can you help?.
i think its 2009 but not sure, where they have the line 'never have we said ''jehovah has said'' when ...'.
a link or pdf or scan or cut n paste, etc would be great!.
This is all priceless. I'm visiting my recently-enlightened mother soon - I'm taking this thread with me! Thanks everyone.
gorgia
sorry if i'm stepping on any toes here, but i haven't seen anything positive about home-schooling...at all.
the notion is that parents are taking advantage of the formative years to inculcate more worthwhile values while protecting their kids from worldly influences.
they end up with lazy, socially inept, illiterate duds who haven't a clue.
What a beautiful post, Band on the Run. I can relate very much to the escape public high school provided - the exposure to fellow-students I felt relaxed enough to speak my mind with, as opposed to the group of JW kids that also attended the same school and kept strictly to themselves.
My parents didn't care at all what grades I got in school either, stillin; I'd often go on shopping trips with my mother or spend the school day visiting my grandparents. In the end, as I've written about before on JWN, I didn't even bother keeping a file - I just shoved papers into my school-bag and threw them in the bin once I got home. Sounds like I wasn't very interested in education, but I was extremely interested in education. I longed to have parents who cared and demanded I do homework, who had future career hopes for me.
I remember a girl in my KH who upon turning the age to start high school here in Oz - 13 - her parents withdrew her from public school to be home-schooled. I believe with JW parents it can be out of genuine terror about the good ol' 2nd Corinthians 15:33, but this decision is mostly about control. The home-schooled girl had been a bubbly character, but after a few months of home-schooling, she changed. Followed her mother around the KH after the meetings, became shy.
gorgia
i have learned to stay away from all religion and jehovahs wittness doctrine (that includes the watchtower and awake magazines).
stay away from positions of ministerial servant, pioneer, aux pioneer, elder, and the like.
once you become a full fledged jehovah wittness you are doomed to be unhappy.
A very warm welcome to you.
gorgia
in communist east germany (gdr) writers were provided with a 'helper' - often a stasi agent - who would 'assist' the work through to publication.. poet and novelist gunter kunert described how this led to a sort of self-censorship.
it reminded me very much of the way jws can be trained to accept outrageous restrictions while imagining they are making free choices.. -----------------------------------------------------------------.
"as authors we were always trying to be ahead of the censor, to second-guess his instinct as to what was 'in' and what was 'off'.
Thanks for posting this Cofty.
gorgia
when i was a kid, it seemed like not a meeting went by when you didn't hear about jonah or sampson and other tall tales from the bible.. now though, they seem to have been sidelined.
i guess the rest of the world caught on to the fact that these stories couldn't possibly be true and were so far fetched (yeah, even by bible standards) that they are just treated as 'stories' like aesop's fables.
saying that you believe in them as genuine accounts just makes you look like a crazy zealot.. but the wts is different.
Island Man,
I can relate to your post. My grandmother used to talk to me about Noah & all the other MBOBS nonsense with such solemnity. She really believed all the stories were historical fact. And I also remember adult JDubs telling me that jehovah only did all those amazing things with people and animals 'in the bible times' & not to hope for any exciting miraculous stuff to happen now. I was very disappointed as a child.
gorgia
the generation scripture no longer is speaking about 'the end'.
i'll quote it...... side note: tons of lies in this article, i'll point out at the end of the post.
"yet, jesus words at matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of "this generation will by no means pass away" before seeing the start of the great tribulation.".
I had plenty of older people asking the teenage-me what I would do if the GT suddenly appeared? I'd be doomed, they'd say. I never read anything about it in the WTS literature either.
gorgia
it has been nice talking with you.but i seem to upset a few because of my faith.. so have a great christmas.... & be good, i wont be here to send you to your rooms .
i have grown close to many of you.... if i have ever said anything to hurt you sorry!!!!.
when i kick the bucket i am sure "mary" who ssometimes post will let you know.. mouthy grace gough.
Mouthy,
Hello. I just want to thank you for being one of the first people to welcome me to the forum. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas. x gorgia xxx
while this enquirey has been damning the catholic church for its failures towards victims its not the only one who have failed their children.
their have been many institutions both religous and non religous that have failed in this regard ,and this includes the jehovahs witness faith , which will be investigated by the appropiate authourities.
smiddy.
I am glad its happening too. I saw on the news last night (here in Oz) that the working with children checks will be enforced, at least in Victoria, upon any one in a religious institution that has contact with children. The WTS have been dragging their heels on this, haven't they?
gorgia
when i slowly but surely departed, i heard that the love of money was what drew me out.
(yeah, right)..
If any of them come up to me now I'll start my own rumour that I've gone apostate.
gorgia
dear elders at%^** congregation, november 1, 2013. .
as you know ive been a member of your congregation for many years.
throughout the last several years i have had the opportunity to get to know many of you personally and i can truly say i have love for all of you.
unstopableravens,
Congratulations! As oubliette says - welcome to the rest of your life! The relief is huge, isn't it? I hope one day your wife follows you.
gorgia