Wow oh wow Joe I never knew that about the bible. Seems odd how they'll treat you if you disagree with a bunch of men, and yet disagree with the bible and "hey no problem".
i have fond memories of you joe. I can still see you up on the stage how you used to have those reading glasses on the end of your nose and every now and again you would peer over them to look at the audience. I also remember making samwidges along with your wife and Alice Kramer.
There certainly have been a lot of rumours about you over the years, and it's nice to know that the rumour of you and your wife separating is completely false. So your living in the N of Z now. Some how I got the impression you had returned to Australia and that is where you were disfellowshiped. Obviously another false rumor as well. I would be guessing that you'll be getting inundated with emails at the moment from people from your past. It was refreshing to see your postings.
Word on the street is they got $US43.2 million when they sold that bethel in New Zealand. 2 of the 3 couples of the full time staff that had been there for many years were put out on the street, with no assistance at all. Sort of seems a bit rude how they made obscene amounts of money and could of even helped those 2 couples.
by the way lloyd very well done and totally funny.
but on a more serious note (and i think what must be of concern to the gb) are the amount of leaks that must be occurring at a senior level or at least by a person who has access to sensitive information.
by the way lloyd very well done and totally funny.
but on a more serious note (and i think what must be of concern to the gb) are the amount of leaks that must be occurring at a senior level or at least by a person who has access to sensitive information.
I was just watching Cedars prank call to ToMo3. By the way Lloyd very well done and totally funny. But on a more serious note (and I think what must be of concern to the GB) are the amount of leaks that must be occurring at a senior level or at least by a person who has access to sensitive information. Another example that comes to mind is the elders school video dealing on suicide. It would of only been CO/DO who would of had hard copies to that information. So somewhere someone has felt disgruntled enough (or have reason enough) to have leaked it. Seriously (and this was something I totally underestimated) It wasn't until I started visiting apostate Web sites, that I began to realize just how slowly information travels in the Org. God my family is only just telling me now stuff I knew weeks ago.
And to top it all off after the repair work was done in the U.S disaster areas they (in not so many words) were turning around and guiltily the home owner to turn over the insurance check. I'm not here saying that the home owner should of expected the work for free, but I also think that unless Wt was going to help the poorest of poor who really could not afford the work, then Wt should of never got involved
R.Jerome Harris= Yes I agree with what your saying. I remember seeing a KH in Latin America and honestly it was in bad need of repair. I remember around the same time our hall had under gone 2 refurbishments in the space of a few short years. I remember been perplexed about this thinking how come our KH (I live in a western country) had 2 refurbishments and yet at the same time the Hall in in Latin America was about to collapse and nothing was done. I even remember relaying my observations to an elder at the time, and asking why we went sending the money to more needed Hall. This to was at a time that I was fully indoctrinated.
I bet you felt the spirit upon you. Oh shit you guys are funny. I think that would make me turn up at the Hall again, if I knew someone was going to give a talk half cut. Legendary. Have you heard cedars prank call to ToMo3. That made my day.
a woman who claims jehovahs witness elders failed to protect her from a predatory sex attacker who repeatedly abused her as a child is now battling for 500,000 compensation.. the woman, in her 20s, was molested by ministerial servant peter stewart over a five-year period in loughborough, leicestershire, in the 1980s and 90s, londons high court heard.. the trauma she suffered derailed her education and career, and led to harrowing nightmares and recurring thoughts of suicide, her barrister, james counsell, said.. matters came to a head after she passed out on her bed next to a pile of paracetamol while on holiday with her husband, having left him a suicide note, he added.. soon afterwards, she had a bad panic attack - triggered by seeing a collection of jehovahs witness literature.. that led to tense discussions with her husband, and her final decision to take legal action, mr counsell told the court.. the woman - who cannot be identified - is suing the trustees of the watchtower bible and tract society, alleging they are vicariously liable for stewarts crimes.. stewart was convicted of entirely separate offences of sexually abusing a schoolgirl and a young boy in 1995, said mr counsell.. he died in june 2001, aged 72, shortly before police arrived at his home to arrest him for sexually abusing the claimant.. stewart was an apparently respected and devout member of the congregation in loughborough, the court heard.. however, he repeatedly preyed on the girl between the ages of four and nine, using his position as a ministerial servant to commit these acts.. he molested her in a variety of situations - including both before and after and sometimes during watchtower study sessions, mr counsell claimed.. his attacks took a catastrophic toll, leaving his victim prone to vomiting at the memory, and with complex feelings of guilt and shame.. stewart forced her to keep silent by telling her that what she was doing was fornication and that she was sinning, the barrister explained.. he warned her that when armageddon came - a regular topic for general discussion at group and congregation meetings - she would not be saved because of what she was doing.. it was precisely because much of the abuse took place at public - and at jehovahs witness events - that she could not always avoid him, added mr counsell.. the woman first mustered the courage to disclose her abuse in 2000 - after hearing of stewarts imminent release from jail for his offences against the two school children.. stewarts former jehovahs witness congregation began an investigation but failed to contact the police, said the barrister, adding that the inquiry appeared to go nowhere.. that alleged inaction intensified her feelings of anger and the woman finally went to the police in may 2001.. but when the police went to stewarts home to arrest him they discovered from neighbours that he had died, added mr counsell.. the barrister alleged that jehovahs witness elders had known about stewarts activities with young girls since the very early days of the claimants abuse and had failed to prevent it continuing.. it was stewarts authority as a ministerial servant which allowed him to gain contact and befriend his victim, said mr counsell.. the abuse was committed while he was performing tasks to further the interests of jehovahs witnesses.. lawyers for the trustees are defending the case, insisting that proper steps were taken to protect its members and that stewart was not performing a pastoral role.. their counsel, adam weitzman, said he disputed that the elders were negligent and denied that the trustees could be held legally responsible.. he pointed out that, from 1991, stewart and the woman ceased to be members of the same congregation.. stewart was never an employee of the jehovahs witness congregation and the trustees owed the woman no legal duty of care, he argued.. mr weitzman said: while it is accepted that, from august 1990, the elders knew (stewart) had sexually assaulted another child, there was not sufficient proximity between them and the claimant to impose such a duty.
nor would it be fair, just and reasonable to do so.. the high court hearing continues.. .
ToesUp= Sorry for my spelling. I was tired at the time. It amazes me how they can maintain a tight grip on the lives of their members and yet at the same time distance themselves so as not to have legal accountability.