Posts by Roddy

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Taped Call w/ JR Brown on Cano

by Synergy in

on the silent lambs site there is a taped call with a media person and jr. brown.

he stated that jw's don't proclaim or feel that they have special chosen ones to lead nor do they feel as though they are the sole organization to get to god.

what crap!

Roddy

I wouldn't rush to that conclusion. I saw how things worked at headquarters for 40 years, and I just can't imagine Ted Jaracz and some of the others in power stepping aside. If they did, it would be easily observed at Bethel, and the disillusionment of seeing "the anointed" no longer in control would be leaked to elders, circuit overseers, district overseers and the branches. That would give the worldwide organization a tremendous setback. No, I think headquarters is too tightly knit together for that to happen. For years the legal departments have experienced frustrations due to the limitations placed upon them by "the old men" of the ;GB. I really doubt that has changed.
I believe a lot of consultation continues to take place, but in the final analysis the GB and persons like Don Adams and Max Larson still have the final say.

I respect your 40 years at headquarters. But I think the GB powers are on the wane for some time now. No one will admit it. Just like they don't admit being a United Nations NGO or their compromise of the blood issue with Bulgaria.

When Franz died there was no strong president at the helm since. Nor a strong voice from the GB. The GB is interested in maintaining the status quo and are too old to take on the tough issues anymore.

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Taped Call w/ JR Brown on Cano

by Synergy in

on the silent lambs site there is a taped call with a media person and jr. brown.

he stated that jw's don't proclaim or feel that they have special chosen ones to lead nor do they feel as though they are the sole organization to get to god.

what crap!

Roddy

> My thought on this is that any current Witness who is lurking here or even an active Witness who is involved but not out, needs to write the Governing Body and ask them when the change took place. Reference JR Browns quotes directly and tell them his words have stumbled you ..you need answers. Theocratic warfare is lying plain and simple. Call a spade a spade cos that's what it is. The Elder in alamb's court case lied opening in a court of law - this also flies in the face of what Brown stated, that they work with governments and so on. A lie is a lie is a lie...and doesn't Jehovah know that? sammieswife

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Forget it!!!! The GB is not the power behind the WTS anymore. It's the Legal Dept that has the political clout for a long time now. The WTS is run by their lawyers! JR Brown gets his cues from the Legal Dept and not from the GB.

It is really interesting. When I first saw the "re-organiztion" of the WTS years ago I said to myself that the GB is over! I think the lawyers sold the GB into taking the back seat to "protect" them from liabilities and so they could 'concentrate on Spiritual matters' when actually it is to get these senile old men out of the way before they say or do something stupid.

If there is going to be a new generation of GB, they will be hand picked figure-heads and yes-men of the Legal Dept.

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Greek Scriptures Apply Only to Annointed?

by Perry in

i was expressing some excitement about some feature of the promises in the nt with an elder shortly before my baptism when he interrupted me and said, "now, you do know that the greek scriptures apply to 144,000 first and then only to us by extension".

does anyone know where this doctrine is stated in wt literature?

any help appreciated.

Roddy

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There is precious little proof that there are two classes of Christians, for all we know there is only one church and one body of believers heading in the same direction.

There is nothing in the Bible about an eternal existence confined to this earth. The whole idea is that the believers will enter the much more dynamic and glorious heavenly body and dimension.

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Well, I'm more confused than ever. I've been trying to reconcile the NT and its heavenly hope and Genesis with its original hope for mankind on Earth. Either Man was made for Earth or for Heaven? What's the answer?

Sometimes I wonder if the apostacy foretold by Paul had an effect on the Bible itself. After all, the whole Bible wasn't compiled and canonized until by the Roman Catholic church in the 4th century, I believe. What if apostate letters which only spoke of the heavenly hope were the only material approved for the NT?

I don't know. I'm still looking for answers. It sure would have helped if Jesus Christ wrote more than he sermoned - if you catch my drift.

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KM citing scriptures that don't exist...

by slimboyfat in

does anyone remember the km a couple of years ago that cited a scripture that doesn't exist?

it was something like 2 tim 3:36, and they had mixed up 1st and 2nd timothy.

i was telling a sister about it today, and i think she didn't believe me.

Roddy

Yep, another one of those hush-hush corrections to the 'original' that makes it to the bound volumes and the WTCD.

I understand why WTS watchdogs prefer the literature fresh off the presses rather than the compilations such as the bound volumes and the WTCD as you can better trap what the WTS has said before they had a chance to revise their statements.

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Anyone Remember Dr. Jim Howard, Bethel Doctor in the 80s??

by Seeker4 in

jim howard was a psychiatrist who became a jw.

he was from a congregation near mine here in vermont, and i knew him long before he was invited to become the physician at bethel.

he had a lovely wife and a terrific young teenaged daughter at the time.

Roddy

I've heard of him. That rang an old bell. Yes, when he was mentioned it was always in high regard. Like you said that was back in the 80s.

Funny you mention him now. Come to think of it, it was in the 80s when I last heard of him. I am curious what happened to him and his family.

From what you described he sounded like a terrific guy. Terrific guys don't last long in the WTS.

Funny thing about the WTS: People tend to "disappear" and no mention made. You just assume there are gone and don't ask.

Strange mentality in that place.

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Celebreties and Jehovah's Witnesses

by Roddy in

i heard from jw rumors many years ago that entertainers such as john denver and gloria estefan didn't like jws very much.

i simply accepted the info at the time and moved on.

i'm just wondering if any of this is true or is just unsubstantiated babble.. i'm also curious if any of you know of how other celebreties weighed-in on the subject of jws either pro or con.

Roddy

Hi

I heard from JW rumors many years ago that entertainers such as John Denver and Gloria Estefan didn't like JWs very much. I simply accepted the info at the time and moved on. I'm just wondering if any of this is true or is just unsubstantiated babble.

I'm also curious if any of you know of how other celebreties weighed-in on the subject of JWs either pro or con.

Thanks

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WT literature revision.

by IP_SEC in

could you guys help with some research.

i'm looking for past threads on revisions in printed material.

differences between magazines and bound volumes.. differences between books and revisions.. .

Roddy

Cool. I was looking for a compiled list of changes and revisions years ago. I'm glad someone was not only paying attention but backtracking and keeping the articles.

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Bethel Downsizing Again!

by zack in

jw
friends

i do not know if any of you have heard.

no one in my congo.

other than one other elder on the body has heard:.

Roddy

Why do they keep telling the "young ones" to reach out for Bethel service? I guess it looks good in the magazines. Just like printing in the Watchtower that people need to "Reach Out" for Gilead. What are the chances of ever getting to go to that? Totally lame.

This summer at the district convention I'm going to listen if they make any of the usual Bethel application announcements. If they don't, then we'll know.

Funny thing about the WTS. You have to listen to what she DOESN'T usually say in order to read between the lines of what is happening. LOL

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Bethel Downsizing Again!

by zack in

jw
friends

i do not know if any of you have heard.

no one in my congo.

other than one other elder on the body has heard:.

Roddy

I do not know if any of you have heard. No one in my congo. other than one other elder on the body has heard:
Bethel will be downsizing again. This not just a casual comment at Morning Worship but a lecture from two GB members
that they would begin sending people home right away.
Seems that human capital is a long term liability that they can no longer afford as they grow old.

Strange as this might sound -- I really feel sorry for them. I'm sure they will be broken hearted. But not as much as when they will be once the find themselves pushed out on the sidewalk and have to fend for themselves. Check it out ...

Years of service, perhaps decades of service and they get: no medial, no dental, no vision, no health benefits, no savings, no marketable skills, no job placement service, no education, no severance pay, not even transportation. But maybe a letter of recommendation to the congregation so they can serve immediately on roving mikes and carpet vacuuming responsibilities at the kingdom hall.

I think the flood of ex-bethelites in the congregations will start a stream of disclosures which we only heard rumors about. When you get kicked out to the curb like that, there will no more loyality. And the pay-back to the WTS will be half as interesting to watch as the WTS enters into a new level of damage control mode. The WTS may start to unravel from the inside out. Perhaps we may even witness a coup!

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Let's play a game - Follow the WTS $$ trail

by watch the tower in

a huge question that i have in the back of my mind regarding the wts is where all of the money ends up.

no one really has a conclusive answer to that.

i think it would reveal a lot if we were able to find out.. i know there have been various threads in the past where it revealed a clue here and a clue there.

Roddy

Once Again for emphasis: it is not the WTS that OWNS the stock.
Further the WTS doesn't even CONTROL the Trust or have any management authority over the Trust Administrator.
It would be an entirely different matter if the Society actually owned the stock or could say what the underlying trust assets should be.

To be fair, I think he has a point. I have a 401k plan and I don't know how the asset management company is running my portfolio. All I know is that my money is invested in a pool of companies. And let's face it, the tobacco companies are vested in so many areas that has nothing to do with tobacco. Perhaps any of your investment accounts may be linked to a tobacco company either directly or indirectly.