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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  There is a hyperlink!

  If someone did that, thank you. Or, is there a Droid god?

  And the link works. Just click on the PDF link on the left side of the page to get to the study.
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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  I lost an entire post. AARGH! Anyhow, I haven't figured out how to create a hyperlink on a Droid, but if you copy and paste this into your browser, you will find a site with a link on the left to a PDF you can download called Racial Disparity in Sentencing; A Review of the Literature. January 2005.

  http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/reports/racial-disparity-sentencing

  A review of literature is a great reference because it aggregates results of multiple other academic studies, in this case 40. The conclusion is that blacks are punished more harshly than whites. It's only about 19 pages and I recommend reading the entire thing. Some statistics mined from some of the various studies reviewed:

  -white men aged 18-29 were 38% less likely to be sentenced to prison than black men of the same age group

  -in the same group, white men were sentenced to an average prison term almost 3 months shorter than black men of the same group

  -in another study, blacks charged with drug offenses were 3.6 times more likely than whites to be considered "habitual offenders" in sentencing

  -another: whites providing substantial assistance to the prosecution received an average of 23% reduction in the likelihood of prosecution while blacks received a 13% reduction

  -a study in Georgia: The % of difference in probability that blacks would be incarcerated for the following drug offenses:

  -25% for drug trafficking

  -19% for distribution

  -12% for drug use

  Please read the entire paper. It's not too long and it gives lots of statistics and summarizes the findings.

  If there's any more confusion about the concept of "after controlling for all other variables" let me know.

  Have a good evening. It's 8:30 on the East Coast, so I'll be hitting the hay soon!
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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  First of all, thanks for the correction on the percentage of blacks and minorities in America. Yes, it appears that blacks make up 13% of the population. I believe that my 20% figure was stuck in my mind because it is about the percentage of all minorities. But, it is important to be precise, so thanks.

  Secondly, your understanding of my position is not correct. I am not saying that "everything statistically that would affect education, crime, etc. are the same but blacks are punished more and discriminated against." Those things might very well be different for different racial groups, but whether or not there is proof that they are causal for criminality, especially since i am arguing about punishment not criminality, is irrelevant to my argument. I AM saying that, all other things being equal (meaning controlling for all of those possibilities you mentioned so one is comparing apples to apples) is that blacks are punished more harshly for the same crimes.

  This brings me to another point, which is that arrest rates are not really relevant. When I speak of being punished I am talking about the kind of punishment given and the length of the sentences. So, though I do like your FBI reference, it's not really relevant to my argument.

  Forgive me while I go eat dinner. If I insult the chef, he might not cook again. :) I'll be back.
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  California University System "Unrecognizes" Evangelical group

  by designs in

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  2. current

  intervarsity christian fellowship had their status changed because their beliefs do not allow for the diversity required of groups with campus privileges.

  access to community halls, dorms.. this will affect 23 campuses.

  in response intervarsity is claiming reverse discrimination and restricting freedom of speech.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Free speech is not at risk in this situation. You can say whatever you like, but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences.

  I could hypothetically say that everyone on this forum sucks. (I would never do that!) But, the consequences would likely be that I wouldn't have many friends on here.
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  i was happy before i woke up

  by losingit in

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  idk if waking up has been good for me.

  i still have almost no friends.

  im still waiting to graduate this december to qualify n b certified for my job.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Human tendency is to prefer the evil we know to the evil we don't know.

  Congratulations on leaving the old evil behind, because there was no chance of things changing for the better, and then grabbing the unknown, which is difficult right now but has every possibility of becoming a much happier life.
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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Eom, I'm sorry to drop the conversation last night, but I went to bed. I haven't figured out the quote function, but I will answer the 3 parts of your response one at a time.

  Part 1: There is no evidence for the first scenario, but lots of evidence for the second, namely, that blacks who go through school and are equally qualified suffer more unemployment.

  Part 2: Pistoff has provided a great academic paper on the subject and I noticed that all of the references are hyperlinked. Happy studying.

  Part 3: I'm not sure I understand your response. My post was about punishment and your response was about crimes committed. I will restate it, though. If blacks compose less than 20% of the population, then there should be a similar ratio in prisons, but there's not. Blacks and whites commit crimes at about the same rate, but blacks are punished more harshly.

  The phrase "all other things being equal" means that after controlling for other factors there is still a discrepancy. A well designed study can rule these things out and then come to conclusions based on only relevant data.

  Any academic study uses statistics to prove its thesis, so, sparrowdown, it's about statistics as well as stereotyping.
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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  This is the, "I've suffered, too." response. It does not negate either the person's unique life experience nor the existence of institutional racism.

  Whining about people who say the meritocracy is a myth doesn't make it any less true. Just because people have succeeded despite difficult circumstances means neither that the meritocracy myth is not true nor that others who have put forth equal effort haven't failed.

  True, life is unequal and unfair, but it's more unequal and more unfair for others simply because of their race.
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  My JW mom is now willing to "listen" to our side...Need advice pls

  by 2pink in

  1. jw
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  my husband and i (both born in jws with extended family all "in" except for one of my sisters who left when we did) left the church 5 years ago.

  we did not fade, we just didn't believe it anymore, told our families so and left.

  obviously, big drama in our family after this, messy feelings, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  The great crowd in revelation stood before the throne, clearly putting then in heaven not on a paradise earth. Don't have chapter and verse.
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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Sorry, EOM, I forgot to answer the question in your first paragraph and the answer is yes. Blacks are victims of all of those things even if they don't statistically commit the most crimes. That's called institutional racism when a minority is singled out for things that are not statistically supported by real world statistics.

  Blacks form less than 20% of the population. White people commit more crimes, but blacks are punished more harshly for the same crimes.

  Blacks with the same level of education as whites suffer from higher unemployment and lower salaries.

  When all other things are equal, blacks have worse outcomes than whites. Proven with statistics, it's a phenomenon called institutional racism and its counterpoint is white privilege where statistics show a white person to be more likely to have a positive result.
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  Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.

  other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.

  not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.

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  GrreatTeacher

  @EOM. So, now you know the reason for white privilege? It's because blacks really do do things to deserve the discrimination? That's an ugly accusation.

  This is actually an academic area of study, not just a theory. It is backed by statistics. And there is no evidence that blacks are encouraging the phenomenon. In fact, there are academic discussions about the function of the kind of shaming that you speak about. It's about policing group boundaries. A subjugated group survives because of group cohesion. Again, research it. I am unable to write an academic paper on the subject for this forum.

  @Violia, I, of course, can't speak to your personal experience, just as you can't speak of the experiences of other ethnicities. Which, of course, is the point. This is a macro phenomenon not well understood at the personal level.