I think I read either in "Crisis of Conscience" or "Apocalypse Delayed" that the society changed the wording in the early '80's because some were leaving and claiming that made a vow of loyalty to Jehovah and Jesus, not to an organization. I vaguely remember standing and sleepily answering "Yes" to something about recognizing that Jehovah was using an earthly organization or something to that effect. I believe it is the second question you are asked at the baptismal talk.
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DA or not DA or continue slipping away ?
by alliwannadoislive infor weeks now, i've been trying to put together a disassociation letter - incidently, it's you lot that have put me up to this - and it's nearing completion but i'm feeling nervous about sending it.
the fast approaching christmas celebration thingymajig is kinda egging me on as i want to blaze christmas lights everywhere and not feel nervous about the possibility of a visit from the po who drops the mags in to me fortnightly (i'm generally 'not in' ... ahem ...).
i would appreciate your for's and against's - to either convince me to go ahead, or to think again and stay the execution ...
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I'm glad I listen!
by LDH inwell a little shock here kids.. on monday, i was talking to my daughter about her (unusual) poor performance in school, in one particular class.
(straight a kid) now i know she doesn't like this teacher's style, so i try to encourage her to learn to deal with it--i mean, we don't all like each other's style but we live in the same world.
blah blah blah.. anyhow, she told me she was 'having problems focusing.
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I hear it's the "in" thing now to wear glasses in school.
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Feedback needed please
by MrMoe inmy sister in-law is a 10th grade honors student.
she is 14 and currently enrolled in english ii - a required course.
she and her fellow students are studing the holocaust in thier honors english class.. the teacher has instructed them to do the following:.
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This really has morphed into quite an interesting thread and I have enjoyed all of the posts thus far. I don't know any of you but I really wonder just how much class, race or some other variable plays into your view on this subject. I am probably going out on a limb here, but it seems to me that your view of how long childhood is or how it should be may be based on these factors too. For instance, if you are one of a minority group or low-income class, would you tend to see childhood as one of idealism or the harsh reality of not having enough to eat, of not being able to see your parents in their struggle to eke out a living and of witnessing violence first-hand.
I don't have any children yet, but I cannot imagine shielding them from the reality of our worldly neighborhood. I just know that wherever intolerance and hatred abide, I would want them to be able to recognize them for what they really are, and to know how far these things can go. There are still adults who cannot handle the reality of the holocaust and other atrocities. To me, childhood is a precursor to adulthood, and I want to start them on the right path. I also plan to be along for the bumpy ride providing support and guidance. -
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Just my luck.....
by LDH inwell guys and gals, i had to get a (routine) pelvic culture a week ago.. they test for beta strep bacteria when you're 37 weeks.. i tested positive, no big deal.. they put me on ampicillin and told me i have to have an iv antibiotic at the hospital.. guess what the ampicillin gave me?.
yup.. lisa.
disgusted class
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I am so jealous about you being a pregger. How about some of that acidophilus stuff?
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Education Survey
by larc ineducation was strongly discouraged among the witnesses.
i am curious as to how many of you went on for further education and in what fields.
i will go ahead and list the ones i already know.. larc - advanced degrees in organizational psychology.
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Undergrad B.S - English
Minor - Linguistics (ESL)Tried to attend college while I was a jdub but I was laughed at from the podium.
Currently pursuing Graduate degree in Educational Technology.
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In all honesty, it's easy to see how one can make these mistakes with the English language being so inconsistent. Let's face it, with all of the borrowing that English did, spelling in English is mostly a memory game. And if your memory fails you, as mine often does...uh, what was I saying? Oh yeah, if the memory goes, so will your spelling. Why are the words dose and lose spelled the same but not pronounced the same way? And why can't you use 'losor' when it is perfectly acceptable to use either advisor or adviser?
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Ignorant Elder Comments
by El Kabong ini don't know if this was discussed here before, but, what is the most ignorant comment you ever heard an elder say.
i once had an elder say to me that my brother, who was at the time fighting in vietnam will be destroyed and killed over in 'nam because he did not accept "jehovah"!!!!
i promptly told him to go "f" himself.
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During a judicial committee I remarked to the elders present that I would call the police the next time my husband abused me. A young indignant elder promptly told me that things were not handled that way in Jehovah's organization. "Jehovah's organization is a THEOCRACY, not a democracy", he yelled.
Another elder told me during another jc that a brother could not rape his wife, and quoted ephesians in support.
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Stupid things that happened as a Witness...
by ballistic inanyone got any stupid questions they were asked or things that happened as a witness?.
when i was at school, a kid asked me "if you don't celebrate birthdays, how do you know how old you are?".
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Retracking our steps to find a new brother in field service who'd remained behind at a door only to find him lugging books and literature that a smug householder had placed with him. The householder had told him to brush up on his information and the humble brother had replied thanks, he would.
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looking for validation
by yrs2long ini'm new to this site and inactive(so far).
i have been glued to this site for the last few days.
my b/friend says i'm obsessed.
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Outnfree - I really like your name too and wish it applied to me.
Thanks for the warmth that shows in all your replies. Last night in chat, I noticed how you kept welcoming all who joined and you kept trying to respond pleasantly and in all earnest to SUS' questions. I am very glad to be here, and I am not bothered by anyone here. Some of even the most caustic replies are acceptable to me right now because the right to express contrary opinions have been denied for so long. I am trying to catch on to all of the logistics around here, but just how do you frame your quotes with the line? Also, how do you include a picture?
I am feeling better everyday about my decision. Most times I feel so free. Yesterday, in chat, you mentioned that it would be better to disassociate myself rather than be df'ed. Other than the personal satisfaction of being able to say I walked away, is there any other positive reason to do so?
I really thank you for welcoming me. Just the little friendliness that you have extended to me has been enough to make me feel better.
Thanks
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Thanks for all of your responses. Actually, I was more interested in just what it was that made people in the WTBTS claim to be anointed. I haven't actually begun to research the concept of whether all do or should have the heavenly hope just yet. I haven't looked into other religions as I still trying to remove the shackles of the WT society.
Outnfree- thanks for the tips. I found the info you were referring to regarding Amazing and others, and my question (which was more limited in scope than what was given here) was answered.
thanks again to all.