But, ww2g I will play devils advocate. After eating of the knowledge of good and bad tree, they could have also eaten from the immortality tree. And should have if everything is exactly as the bible says, then god wouldn't have stopped them. It was only later according to Moses that they were shut out of the garden by angels with weapons. Now why Satan didn't suggest that they eat of the immortality tree I have no idea. But, if you take the bible literally as witnesses do then they could have at that time eaten of the tree of life as well. Then they would not have died. So Satan was guilty of saying they wouldn't die and then they died, technically making himself a liar. But, it would be like me saying that a snake bite won't kill you. Then you let it bite you and don't take the anti-venom sitting right next to you and you die. Technically I lied and your dead, but you could have easily lived and then I would have been right and not guilty.
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But Satan DIDNT lie!???
by mrbunyrabit inwhy does the bible portray satan as this big liar, and that he is the father of the lie when he didn't lie?.
genesis 3:4-5.
4 then the serpent said to the woman, you will not surely die.
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If there really is no God...
by Monsieur inif there really is no god, then man really only has himself to blame for all this mess.... .
blaming god or satan would only seem like a cop - out, and an excuse for opression.. man may not be able to stop a tsunami or a hurricane, but we can absolutely stop wars and opression, violence and hatred.. come on people!!!
why is this so difficult to accomplish when we have the capacity to do so???
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Religious fanatics for one. With them gone much could be accomplished.
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If man evolved?
by tornapart ini know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.
however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?
surely there'd have been many billions by then?.
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Here Lost. This is an example of being separated and changing over time. Its from the book I keep mentioning (read it!) Copy pasting now.
A compelling discussion of the evidence for evolution, from geology, genetics, morphology, archeology, and more. He talks about interesting issues I hadn’t even realized were problems. Like, if evolution is incremental, how do different species arise out of the same parent species? The answer is that one group of individuals become isolated from the rest, and then the two groups can evolve separately. This makes a prediction: a species should be most closely related to another species that is separated from them by some kind of geographical barrier. And in fact, this is true. There are seven species of snapping shrimp on the west side of the Isthmus of Panama, and seven species of snapping shrimp on the east side. And the closest relative of each species of snapping shrimp on the west side is one of the seven species on the east side of the Isthmus of Panama. Which is just what you would expect if, 3 million years ago, there were seven species of snapping shrimp near Panama, then the Isthmus of Panama rose out of the water, separating each species into two groups, which then evolved independently of each other.
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If man evolved?
by tornapart ini know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.
however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?
surely there'd have been many billions by then?.
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Imagine it this way. If you could go back in time one million years, and take a horse from today with you, how different would it be from a primitive horse or its ancestors. In all likelihood it would be so different that it would be unable to produce offspring even though being the same animal at different points in time. I just threw one million yrs out there, so if that time period is wrong then just insert the correct time period in the illustration.
The point is that they change sometimes even drastically over time. So no one is saying a mammal crawled into the ocean and adapted fins and a blowhole to become a whale. They are saying the ancestor would be similar to a hippo and lived mainly in the water. Over millions of years small changes that made water living more successful resulted in the whale we have today. Not that a whale chose to adapt to water. It happens naturally over a very long period of time.
I think every person who finds these things hard to believe should read Jerry Coynes book Why Evolution Is True.. It explains it in simple terms for laymen like me. It makes sense when you just learn more about it.
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Why did god make Mosquitos, ticks, and leeches?
by Comatose inthey drink blood which he is against.. they are a nuisance and would be hell in paradise.
they just seem to be pests with no beneficial or redeeming characteristics.
no jw could give you a satisfactory answer to that.
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lol
Billy and Satanus thanks for the chuckle.
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If man evolved?
by tornapart ini know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.
however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?
surely there'd have been many billions by then?.
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Read Jerry A. Coyne, Why Evolution Is True
it will help explain the details.
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EP I just did exactly that. I almost typed and then didn't. Lol
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If man evolved?
by tornapart ini know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.
however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?
surely there'd have been many billions by then?.
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Primitive man from 500k years ago is not the same as from 20k years ago. Read a book! It actually makes sense if you just read and learn. You are starting your argument from a wrong assumption and do not really seem interested in learning. Read a book. Learn about it.
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If man evolved?
by tornapart ini know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.
however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?
surely there'd have been many billions by then?.
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You need to actually read some good books on the subject. Your starting premise is off.
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Leaving...
by LouBelle ini just broke down in such an ugly cry at work.
walked outside and just sobbed my guts out.
i am so very unhappy here.
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Take your life back. You are in control. Proud of you for leaving.