All JWs know is exactly what the WTS tells them, "We are NOT creationists. We do NOT believe in a literal 24 hour day creation". And they all feel good about being intellectually superior to fundie nut job creationists, not realizing that they are are, um, fundamentally, creationists themselves. The difference between 10,000 and 50,000 is miniscule when compared to 13.8 billion...
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CREATIVE "DAYS" - What do JWs believe?
by Bloody Hotdogs! ina few weeks ago, i asked you to critique my website article on dinosaurs (http://www.jwbeliefs.com/what-do-jehovahs-witnesses-believe-about-dinosaurs/).
it was pointed out that much of what i wrote depends on the creative "days" being relatively short - something i believe jws teach.. after being prompted to review my conclusions/research, i was more convinced than ever that jws promote relatively short creative days.
the nail in the coffin was the teaching that day seven is indicative of the length of the other six days (i.e.
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The Judicial Committee is a Circle of Elders in a Room?
by Shanagirl inhas this ever happened to anyone who has been df'd here?
did you walk into a room with a circle of chairs for the whole body of elders?.
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I'd rather scrub KH toilets than sit in on a Judicial Committee meeting. I mean, the shit's piled so high in those meetings (along with the rest of the meetings) that the toilets are pristine in comparison...
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Should I attend Kingdom Hall meetings to discreetly "preach"?
by CrytoJesus inchristians, should i attend kingdom hall meetings to discreetly "preach" to jws about the real jesus and the lies of the watchtower?.
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i plan to go undercover and plant seeds into them.. .
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I plan to go undercover and plant seeds into them.
If you pretend to be me, preaching about Jesus, you'll be spotted as an imposter immediately.
I would never preach about Jesus at a KH... or anywhere else for that matter...
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Could a JW be DF for celebrating Festivus?
by Stealth inafter all, it's a secular holiday not a religious holiday.. if i was still an active member, i think i would start a new tradition of celebrating festivus.
most likely no jws would come, but that's okay, it's a famiily holiday anyway.. what grounds would the elders have to disfellowship you?.
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JWs don't celebrate any worldly holidays... secular, religious, or otherwise.
So celebrating Xmas, Festivus, your birthday, or even Talk Like a Pirate Day, can get you hot water with the elders, if they so choose to make a case of it (see preceeding comments about 'anything 3 elders agree on')
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The Judicial Committee is a Circle of Elders in a Room?
by Shanagirl inhas this ever happened to anyone who has been df'd here?
did you walk into a room with a circle of chairs for the whole body of elders?.
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Yes. It has happened. I have seen it.
Of the three JC meetings I was privileged to attend, two were standard JC setups. Three elders at a conference table in the KH library. They were toward one end. The 'accused' sat either at one end, or along the other side. Nothing too drastic about it at all.
However, I did attend one JC meeting where the entire elder body was present, and they sat in a semi-circle of 6 or 7, facing a lone chair for the accused, or the witness to the 'sin' that the accused was being charged with. And it was not a pleasant meeting. It was an inquisition from the git-go. From the badgering of so-called witnesses, to downright harrassment of the accused, this group of men were relentless and cruel to everyone who sat in the chair facing them. Sitting in that chair was akin to Taylor standing naked in front of Ape Council...
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It can always be worse, I guess...
by undercover innot sure if this has been posted here or not.... imagine being called to a judicial meeting and then getting beat up.
not just mentally and emotionally, as is the case with jws, but physically assaulted.... (note some similarites between the cults, minus the physical assault).
http://www.journalnow.com/news/state_region/nc-church-members-facing-charges-in-beating-of-gay-man/article_eeebfb5a-4220-57b2-a0ca-97e206a36bf2.html.
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Not sure if this has been posted here or not...
Imagine being called to a judicial meeting and then getting beat up. Not just mentally and emotionally, as is the case with JWs, but physically assaulted...
(note some similarites between the cults, minus the physical assault)
NC church members facing charges in beating of gay man
Posted: Sunday, December 14, 2014 7:30 pm
Associated Press |
SPINDALE — For Matthew Fenner, a crowd of parishioners gathering around him in a church sanctuary after a prayer service was a sign of trouble.
Within minutes, he said they began to berate him because he was gay. One woman told him he was “disgusting.” Then for two hours, they pushed and hit Fenner, screaming at him as they tried to “break me free of the homosexual ‘demons,’” he said in a police affidavit about the Jan. 27, 2013 attack.
Nearly two years later, five Word of Faith Fellowship church members have been indicted for kidnapping and assault in connection with Fenner’s beating.
But the case has opened new wounds in the rural North Carolina community where the church has been a lightning rod of controversy.
Now a student at the University of North Carolina, the 21-year-old Fenner told The Associated Press that he believed his life was in danger that night.
He said he had to press authorities to investigate his allegations because of the church’s influence in the community.
“The line between religion and abuse, they are crossing it quite severely. That’s why I’m doing this. They have to know you cannot hurt people,” he said.
But Joshua Farmer, whose law firm is representing the five church members, said that was nonsense.
“In short, this stuff is an absolute complete fabrication,” Farmer told the AP. “They are innocent of the charges.”
This is the latest controversy to surround the church founded in 1979 by Sam and Jane Whaley. The church, which has 750 members and operates a 35-acre complex in the rural community of Spindale, has been accused for years of enforcing extensive control over its congregation.
Former members say they were told by church leaders where to live and work, what to read, how to dress and when to have sex with their spouses.
Word of Faith also practices “blasting,” a form of hands-on, high-pitched, screaming prayer. The church says it doesn’t celebrate Christmas and other holidays because of their pagan origins.
The church was investigated twice in the late 1990s for its treatment of children but was cleared of any wrongdoing.
In recent years, national gay rights groups have criticized Word of Faith after several young men — whose parents are church members — claimed they were abused because they are gay.
“It’s pretty clear to me ... that these individuals wanted to inflict pain on Matthew because of his sexual orientation,” said Brent Childers, executive director of Faith in America, a group that addresses harm done to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people by “misguided religious teachings.”
Several telephone messages for church leaders, including Jane Whaley, were not returned. But Whaley has told the AP that her church has become a “target” — and they have spent millions in the past fighting off claims of abuse.
Rutherford County Sheriff Chris Francis and District Attorney Brad Greenway did not return telephone messages.
Justin Covington, 20, of Rutherfordton; Brooke Covington, 56, of Rutherfordton; Robert Walker Jr., 26, of Spindale; and Adam Bartley, 25, of Rutherfordton have been indicted on one count each of second-degree kidnapping and simple assault.
Sarah Covington Anderson, 27, of Rutherfordton, faces the same charges — and one count of assault inflicting physical injury by strangulation. It’s unclear how the Covingtons are related, but the indictments show they live at the same Rutherfordton address.
The police documents and interviews with Fenner reveal details of the case.
Fenner’s family joined the church a few years ago at a time when Fenner said he was struggling with his sexuality.
He said he decided to attend the church and its school because of his mother.
“My mom and I were always really close and I just thought maybe I can keep an open mind and see if it works — see if I can change. Obviously, that was really a stupid decision because you can’t change who you are. But in my mind it seemed like the right thing to do,” he said.
During that period, he said he became a tutor, helping other students at the church, and going to services. He said church members suspected he was gay — and later began harassing him, the police affidavit said.
But Fenner said nothing prepared him for what happened on Jan. 27, 2013.
After a nighttime church service, three members asked him to go to the back of the sanctuary. In the affidavit, Fenner said the three were soon joined by about 20 others and they surrounded him. And that’s when “deliverance soon ensued.”
He said they began pushing him and hitting him and using “other violent measures” that were all part of the church’s way of trying to cure him of being gay.
It lasted about two hours before they let him leave.
When he got home, he said he told his mother, but she didn’t believe him — even though he said he was covered in bruises.
He said he went to his grandparents’ house and he called the sheriff’s office. And he said that was the beginning of his struggle to get law enforcement to take action.
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AAWA activists burst into a Kingdom Hall in Kent!
by raymond frantz inaawa activists burst into a kingdom hall in kent.
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Stupid.
The best revenge against JW/WTS is living well, and totally ignoring them, as if they matter not one whit in world events (which they don't). By actually partaking in some activism against them, it defeats your own reason to live without JW influence or presence, and only strengthens their resolve through the perceived persecution that they believe is foretold in Bible prophecy.
In other words... you're just fucking shit up
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Zone video meeting links or transcripts
by undercover ini've enjoyed reading many of the reports from our brothers in foreign... wait... that's not right.
let's try again.... i've enjoyed reading many of the reports from those who either experienced it first hand, or got reports from family still, the video zone meeting, complete with a gb member rambling about spanx and yoga pants.. is there a video of this momentous event, or at least a transcript of the entire meeting and its contents?.
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I've enjoyed reading many of the reports from our brothers in foreign... wait... that's not right. Let's try again...
I've enjoyed reading many of the reports from those who either experienced it first hand, or got reports from family still, the video zone meeting, complete with a GB member rambling about spanx and yoga pants.
Is there a video of this momentous event, or at least a transcript of the entire meeting and its contents?
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New JW assembly/meeting that has prerecorded message? Lasts half a day
by HillCountry insorry about the confused nature of the topic but my mom (who still goes to the kh meetings) said that there will be an "assembly" on sunday where there will be a prerecorded message or talk of some sort and that it will only be half a day and won't need to bring lunch.
anyone else have heard of these or gone to one?.
i know they are changing a lot of things.
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About every meeting I ever attended at the KH, or assembly/convention was a 'zone' meeting. As soon as it started, I zoned right out, and came to during the closing song/prayer...
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Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"
by breakfast of champions inthis is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.
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An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"
Dear Brothers and Sisters, It is time to prove your faith to Jehovah's Earthly Organization. In this time, deep in the end of the system of things, Jehovah has made his Faithful Slave aware that in his upcoming war on wickedness, that it will be so intense that even his faithful followers on the sidelines will be caught up in the destruction. To avoid dying at Armaggedon, of which there is no resurrection, our brothers on the Governing Body have find an alternative way into the New System. On the tables at the back of the room, you will find cups filled with a fruit juice. By partaking of this Holy Juice, you not only are passing this test of your faith, but you will soon awake in the New System, free of this old world and its wickedness. After everyone has a cup, we will sing a Kingdom Melody, and share in the partaking together. Parents should help their children before taking their own drink. Now, let us line up in an orderly fashion, ready to prove ourselves worthy of Jehovah's mercy and kindness as we join Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and Noah in awaiting our everlasting paradise...