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  The Apostate Boogeyman--a figment of JW imagination

  by Londo111 in

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  apostates are a figment of the jw imagination.

  not necessarily the dictionary definition of the word apostate, which simply means a person who leaves their religion, for by that definition everyone who leaves a religion to become a jw is an apostate--but the jw conception of the apostate, both as an individual and as a 'group' is imaginary.. .

  for starters, the watchtower goes beyond the definition of merely leaving the religion, if a person disagrees with a doctrine or practice of the organization, even if they dont voice it, that is a thoughtcrime called apostasy.

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  great post, Londo

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  The universe.. are you ready for reality?

  by cyberjesus in

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  it couldnt get any easier... or could it?.

  http://youtu.be/0nbbjniw4tk.

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  The Walsh Case (1954/1956) - Interesting Quotes from the Crown

  by EdenOne in

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  when the walsh case was taken to the house of lords, lord strachan (presiding) made a few remarks about the jehovah's witnesses and the watchtower society, that i will now quote, for they are very interesting.

  these were taken from the publication "1956 session cases - cases decided in the court of session and also in the court of justiciary and house of lords, from august 2, 1955, to july 19, 1956", published for the faculty of advocates by oliver and boyd, edimbough, 1956.. case presented to the house of lords in july 19, 1956. lord stracham's comments, page 133 on the subject if the jehovah's witnesses may be legitimally considered a 'religious denomination'.

  he pondered about some arguments against this case:.

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  Cantleave: Yes.

  One may disagree with the doctrine or the practice, but there's no doubt it is a "religious denomination".

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  The Walsh Case (1954/1956) - Interesting Quotes from the Crown

  by EdenOne in

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  when the walsh case was taken to the house of lords, lord strachan (presiding) made a few remarks about the jehovah's witnesses and the watchtower society, that i will now quote, for they are very interesting.

  these were taken from the publication "1956 session cases - cases decided in the court of session and also in the court of justiciary and house of lords, from august 2, 1955, to july 19, 1956", published for the faculty of advocates by oliver and boyd, edimbough, 1956.. case presented to the house of lords in july 19, 1956. lord stracham's comments, page 133 on the subject if the jehovah's witnesses may be legitimally considered a 'religious denomination'.

  he pondered about some arguments against this case:.

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  When the Walsh case was taken to the House of Lords, Lord Strachan (Presiding) made a few remarks about the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society, that I will now quote, for they are very interesting. These were taken from the publication "1956 Session Cases - Cases Decided In The Court of Session and Also In The Court of Justiciary and House of Lords, from August 2, 1955, to July 19, 1956", Published for the Faculty of Advocates by Oliver and Boyd, Edimbough, 1956.

  Case presented to the House of Lords in July 19, 1956. Lord Stracham's comments, page 133 on the subject if the Jehovah's Witnesses may be legitimally considered a 'religious denomination'. He pondered about some arguments against this case:

  "[the Jehovah's Witnesses aren't a 'religious denomination' because] it lacks steadfastness of principle, in that it has changed its beliefs in certain respects; c) that its forms and places of worship and its rites and ceremonies are devoid of any athmosphere of reverence; d) that its educative system and the qualifications required of its officers are insufficient; e) that its organization is altogether a "secular" setup rather than a religious denomination."

  It's worth noting that in the end he concluded that the Jehovah's Witnesses may be legitimally considered a 'religious denomination'. But the arguments against that notion are quite heavy.

  On pages 136 and 137, regarding the nature of the duties of the congregational servant as outlined in the publication "Counsel on Theocratic Organization for Jehovah's Witnesses", Lord Stracham notes:

  "I have read and re-read those paragraphs [83 and 84] and I am bound to say that they quite clearly give me the impression of duties which are administrative and secreterial rather than those of a spiritual leader. (...) According to the pamphlet, the emphasis is definitely on administration than on spiritual leadership"

  Considering the nature of the structure of the rulership whithin the Jehovah's Witnesses, Lord Justice-Clark made the following remark, on page 142:

  "Originally these companies [congregations] appear to have enjoyed some measure of self-determination (...) But that has all passed away. Theocratic rule was introduced. Under this rule, the president and the board of directors of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, as the mouthpieces of Jehovah, are the absolute rulers of the sect. They are so in virtue of their exclusive power to interpret the scriptures, and absolute acceptance of their interpretation is obligatory on all Jehovah's Witnesses. Accordingly, the structure of the body's organization is authoritarian and indeed totalitarian."

  Also interestingly is that, although the "Governing Body" was only formally introduced in the late 1970's, by this time (1956), the use of the term was already common, as ways to designate the leadership of the Jehovah's Witnesses. The same Lord Justice-Clark, in reference to the powers of attorney held by the UK Branch Overseer Mr. Hughes, noted:

  "...Mr. Hughes, the branch servant, who holds a power of attorney from the governing body. He rules in virtue of this power, subject, of course, to such direct and overriding instructions as he may receive from the governing body"

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  Are Peeps for True Christians?

  by rebel8 in

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  with appreciation of the "are cats for true christians?

  " people.... are peeps for true christians?.

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  rebel8

  The writing comittee will be offering you a position with them anytime soon ... You got "the style".

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  Help me figure out what to say...I'm not usually at a loss for words

  by Terry in

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  well, i finally found him on facebook!.

  his name is tollie padgett.

  he was my congregation overseer (before the "elder" changeover) when i was in prison in seagoville in the late 60's.. i've been searching for him for years and years.

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  Seems to me, Terry, that such Elder is what every Elder within the JW's should be .... and if instead of company yes-men we would have elders of such caliber, the "organization" could be something entirely different today ....

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  Anyone noticed a curiosity on the Memorial Invitation for 2013 ?

  by EdenOne in

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  i can't scan the memorial invitation for 2013, but i was looking at it today and noticed something curious on the front drawing.. we have jesus as the central figure of the composition.

  to his right and bottom, a large crown, in colour, of shiny happy people of diverse origins.. separated from this by the figure of jesus, is another group, a much smaller one, on the left and as if ascending to the top, and grayed.. clearly portrayed in this group is the face of ct russell and apparently william tyndale.

  but then, also sarah and abraham and other personalities of the ot seem to be represented there.

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  LOL Billy

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  Anyone noticed a curiosity on the Memorial Invitation for 2013 ?

  by EdenOne in

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  i can't scan the memorial invitation for 2013, but i was looking at it today and noticed something curious on the front drawing.. we have jesus as the central figure of the composition.

  to his right and bottom, a large crown, in colour, of shiny happy people of diverse origins.. separated from this by the figure of jesus, is another group, a much smaller one, on the left and as if ascending to the top, and grayed.. clearly portrayed in this group is the face of ct russell and apparently william tyndale.

  but then, also sarah and abraham and other personalities of the ot seem to be represented there.

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  The WTS clearly means to portray two separate groups of people.

  I could understand it, as per the normal distinction between the "little flock" of anointed ones with heavenly hope, and the "other sheep" with an earthly hope.

  Unless what they want to convey is people who live today versus those who already are dead. But it's an unclear intention

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  Anyone noticed a curiosity on the Memorial Invitation for 2013 ?

  by EdenOne in

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  i can't scan the memorial invitation for 2013, but i was looking at it today and noticed something curious on the front drawing.. we have jesus as the central figure of the composition.

  to his right and bottom, a large crown, in colour, of shiny happy people of diverse origins.. separated from this by the figure of jesus, is another group, a much smaller one, on the left and as if ascending to the top, and grayed.. clearly portrayed in this group is the face of ct russell and apparently william tyndale.

  but then, also sarah and abraham and other personalities of the ot seem to be represented there.

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  Ok found it ...

  

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  Anyone noticed a curiosity on the Memorial Invitation for 2013 ?

  by EdenOne in

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  2. beliefs

  i can't scan the memorial invitation for 2013, but i was looking at it today and noticed something curious on the front drawing.. we have jesus as the central figure of the composition.

  to his right and bottom, a large crown, in colour, of shiny happy people of diverse origins.. separated from this by the figure of jesus, is another group, a much smaller one, on the left and as if ascending to the top, and grayed.. clearly portrayed in this group is the face of ct russell and apparently william tyndale.

  but then, also sarah and abraham and other personalities of the ot seem to be represented there.

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  I can't scan the Memorial Invitation for 2013, but I was looking at it today and noticed something curious on the front drawing.

  We have Jesus as the central figure of the composition.

  To his right and bottom, a large crown, in colour, of shiny happy people of diverse origins.

  Separated from this by the figure of Jesus, is another group, a much smaller one, on the left and as if ascending to the top, and grayed.

  Clearly portrayed in this group is the face of CT Russell and apparently William Tyndale. But then, also Sarah and Abraham and other personalities of the OT seem to be represented there. I thought this group was supposed to represent the anointed who inherit the Kingdom, the "small flock". Am I seeing things, or is there something new suggested here?

  It would be nice if someone could include a scan of the Invitation for everyone to see.

  Eden