Posts by Rattigan350

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"Worship that God Approves" chapter 15

by A.proclaimer in

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this is the title of the 15th chapter in the "what does the bible really teach book".

so i have to study this book and am doing it with an elder.

after taking long breaks inbetween the study, this is the chapter that is coming up.

Rattigan350

The best way to deal with this is by asking: How can God disapprove or approve the things that we do, to where he will take action sometime based on those actions, but he lets the Phillippines and other places get destroy by storms, not for what they did. Is that so arrogant to think that we matter that much to where God is watching what we do, and that we have his attention, but he does not are about what else is going on?

Changing doctrines and 1914 are off the subject. Stick to the subject and inquire as to why worship that he does approve has not saved anyone,

people have died over the past 6000 years.

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Kingdom Hall Weddings - November Kingdom Ministry

by BluesBrother in

if this has already been posted up - then i missed it.. this question box left me .

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Rattigan350

What got me was that we couldn't practice the wedding vows before the wedding because if we said them, we would be married at that time.

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My Mom Wanted To Know If I Would Ever Consider Going Back.... Guess what I said....

by minimus in

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never!!!

!.

Rattigan350

Their concern about going back is about a social thing. The social thing would be fine if they would get rid of the 2 hours of religion.

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Acts 20:28

by never a jw in

acts 20:28 nwt.

pay attention to yourselves+ and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers,+ to shepherd the congregation of god,+ which he purchased with the blood of his own son.

king james and other translations.

Rattigan350

"It's simple if you really believe what John 1:1 says in a real bible."

The real Bible? That was a history account that John wrote. First one must question, how did he get that information and is it accurate?

If it is inspired of God, then why write something that would create controversy over thousands of years? Why not make it clear so it can

not be questioned?

John 1:1 is a big joke. So is using Zech 12:9 and Heb 1:8

"and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son"

They pierced Jehovah by killing his son by ignoring the prophesies that Jehovah gave.

Heb 1:8 is Paul's application of the Psalms. First, where does one get Jesus is God from that mess of quotes. And whoever said that Paul knows what he is writing about. He is not Jesus, does not know what is what.

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New Handbill Campaign

by NoRegrets in

apparently the jws are doing a new handbill campaign.

they were just at my door and offered it to me with one of their heartless and scripted presentations.

the religion has just become so dumbed down.

Rattigan350

On 11/30 Stand for Pure Worship wrote " This is just the beginning. As sure as Alabama will beat Auburn, these special tracts will be placed"

Since the score was tied when the clock ran out, I consider it a tie, but the officials gave Auburn the win.

So much for your sure prediction. That must have been the reason the Tide lost.

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Christmas - love it or leave it?

by Xanthippe in

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i am just watching my neighbours across the road putting up christmas lights while their children run around bursting with excitement.

i am feeling all christmassy now.

can't wait for my daughter to come home from uni next weekend so we can go and buy a tree from the garden centre.

Rattigan350

It seems like Christmas is popular and people celebrate it because of that.

The group One Direction is popular. People follow things because it is popular - and people claim to be more enlighted in the 21st century.

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Number of anointed partakers in new yearbook?

by JWOP in

i haven't seen the 2014 yearbook on the jw site yet.

i'm looking to see if the number of partakers has increased again (as it has for many years now).

anyone have a scan of it yet?.

Rattigan350

Where did you get "anointed" partakers in the subject?

The number is just those who ate bread and drank wine at a specific time. Does not mean they have been anointed by holy spirit.

Any increase simply means more people eat and drink at the memoral.

As for " Watchtower has totally butchered the truth about Jesus' brothers".

To claim that anyone butchered any truth, one must know it first. Has any other religion proclaimed a truth about heaven?

No, since there has been no proof that anyone has been resurrected to heaven after death.

All it is that they take Jesus words and want to be with him. A fairy tale fantasy.

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Acts 20:28

by never a jw in

acts 20:28 nwt.

pay attention to yourselves+ and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers,+ to shepherd the congregation of god,+ which he purchased with the blood of his own son.

king james and other translations.

Rattigan350

This is a written transcript of what Paul said to the elders at Ephesus.

Paul was a Israel history scholar. Paul was not inspired as to what he said anymore than a circuit overseer talking to elders in a congregation is inspired. He and the Ephesus elders knew about sacrifices and how people brought animals to the temple to buy back a clean state with the blood of the animals. Thus Paul was inspired by the temple and sacrifices (and thus inspired by God) so what he wrote had to follow that lead. God bought people to a clean state with not his own blood (God does not have blood) but with the blood of his son (Abraham, Isaac) just as people bought their clean state with the animals blood, not their own.

Context and history provide the answer.

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HELP: the cross or the stake

by never a jw in

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just asking for help from the vast number of very knowledgeable people here.

when was the "stake" doctrine adopted by jw's and what publication contains that information.

thank you..

Rattigan350

Thank you Searcher for stating that. I agree.

As to when the WTBTS started the stake thing. In the 1930s it was done to show that they were different from the rest, implying that they were correct.

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In effect the GB says the new testament was only written for the 144k - right?

by Comatose in

because if you just read it then its plain that all should partake of the emblems and go to heaven etc.

they get around that by saying it only applied to those when written who all anointed and then a small group today.

so they take away the bible for the average witness.

Rattigan350

Yes, you are in a coma.

The gospels are the sayings of Jesus and the things he said were to others listening to him in his time. If they listened to him they could get the holy spirit at Pentecost.

The Acts were the actions and sayings of the apostles and the letters of Paul, Peter, James, Jude were to people of their day.

Revelation is for our day.

Really, the 26 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures were applicable for the people back then.

Anointing of holy spirit was more prevalent then. But partaking of the bread and wine did not mean one goes to heaven.

There is no evidence that anyone who has lived has gone to heaven as a spirit since death. Since there is no communication to us or interaction and proof of it, what is the deal with believing it.