Posts by TMS

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VERY DEEP QUESTIONS for elect/annointed/those with insight/holy spirit/etc

by EndofMysteries in

only need answer if you have already researched, come to an understanding, or have seen this and currently figuring it out.

if you have no idea what i'm talking about, then question doesn't apply to you as i feel it's information that is only understood at the right time and to those allowed to get understanding of it.. ***if you would like to give me some answers, but feel the information can't be posted publically or your restricted in whom to give it to, feel free to message me directly.

that's also why i am asking these questions in a way in which only you would understand, but i do not know how to find you otherwise.. .

TMS

EOM comments on the issues he must balance as god's spokesperson:

" I am very careful in what I publish for all to see, so as not to overstep and announce knowledge God may want to remain hidden for the time being or that somebody with bad intentions uses the information"

EOM and his god have knowledge other Earth and possibly heavenly beings cannot access. EOM's god is not all-powerful as EOM could release knowledge to the universe but chooses not to do so in deference to his weak god. EOM further reveals the weakness of his god in being powerless to stop "those with bad intentions" from misusing such heretofore hidden knowledge should EOM choose to release it.

EOM, you represent your god as weak, ineffective, totally dependent on your cooperation to release information at the appropriate time to those with good intentions. If your god actually exists you do him a great disservice by defaming him in this way. If he is your invention, you need to go back to the drawing board as the god you portray is pitiful and ineffectual.

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VERY DEEP QUESTIONS for elect/annointed/those with insight/holy spirit/etc

by EndofMysteries in

only need answer if you have already researched, come to an understanding, or have seen this and currently figuring it out.

if you have no idea what i'm talking about, then question doesn't apply to you as i feel it's information that is only understood at the right time and to those allowed to get understanding of it.. ***if you would like to give me some answers, but feel the information can't be posted publically or your restricted in whom to give it to, feel free to message me directly.

that's also why i am asking these questions in a way in which only you would understand, but i do not know how to find you otherwise.. .

TMS

EOM,

Without addressing or wrapping my feeble mind around the great truths revealed to you, I will anticipate how various segments of society might describe your bearing and point of view.

1. Young people will describe you as "fake-deep".

2. The blue collar crowd will view you as a "full-of-yourself know-it-all".

3. Mental health professionals will use the word "delusional" in their description of your mental state.

4. Veteran JWD posters will view you as a condescending Bible thumper and waste of time.

tms

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The Two Creepy Commandments

by Farkel in

there are a few bible verses i'm going to discuss that probably don't bother anyone but me.

in fact, most people, including ex-dubs think they are wonderful verses.

i think they are really, really creepy verses.

TMS

farkel,

unconditional love for your essay!

tms

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Do the "top" men in the WTBTS go in field service?

by HappyGuy in

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friends

i read in a letter from walter salter to j. f. rutherford that salter states that rutherford does not go in field service and salter admonishes rutherford to start going in field service so that he will "know what you are talking about".. i found this a bit surprising.

so, i want to ask anyone who knows the inner workings at the hqs.

do the top men go in field service?

TMS

JT, the former Bethelite who used to post in this forum, spoke of a young Bethelite's responsibility to purchase a Sunday New York Times for Brother Knorr and other GB members at the time. and deliver them personally to their Bethel apartment doors. Knorr and his cronies were in bathrobe and slippers Sunday morning while the JW rank and file preached.

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C.O.'s: Why Are Elders Such Cowards?

by metatron in

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friends

the stories never stop.

abusive, egotistical, demanding, ungrateful and arrogant circuit overseers all over the place and "men" -the elders - take it.. i have seen a number of these itinerant predators offend entire congregations with their behavior and i can count the incidents where elders actually showed some b@lls and stood up to them on one hand.

why are elders such cowards?

TMS

Good for you, truman.

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New CO 70 yrs old, "youre not doing enough" school. Sigh

by monkeyman in

got our new co. old school guy, 70 yrs old.

mo is "youre all not doing enough".

sigh.. three yrs of this asshole..

TMS

lol, Billy. . . . .

just to add: Prepared meals served precisely at noon on weekdays, health insurance, green handshakes above and beyond "expenses". all of the congregation's Bible studies rescheduled for a two hour afternoon Wednesday to Friday window if you want CO or CO wife accompaniment. Frequently, if a congregation has a morning Sunday meeting, the CO is a "no-show" for afternoon field service. Actual field service may also be limited by "shepherding call" on some person inactive since the 50's and the extended break at McDonalds.

Let me give my most flagrant example of the CO lifestyle: In 1970 I was a young Congregation Overseer in rural Arkansas. I was driving 60 miles round trip to a part-time minimum wage job, pioneering and trying to serve the congregation. Our new CO was from Dallas, tanned, well-dressed and, as I later learned a scratch golfer. On Tuesday, we were to meet to "go over the records". Since he was late and I knew the routine, I started figuring the ministerial servants hours, etc., the meeting attendance, territory coverage, etc. He poked his head in the Kingdom Hall about an hour late, apologizing and saying he would have to take a shower. I continued working, accounts, literature, etc. When he finally showed I had finished everything. He was sort of stunned, did a few checks of my figures and said: "Well, we're done." He then asked if I played golf and if there was a good golf course close by.

On Wednesday night, a fire broke out at a sister's house. Before going over there I called the CO to see if he wanted to go with me. He begged off, saying he had consumed a glass of wine and didn't want to offend. I went alone.

On Saturday afternoon after field service, Bro. CO handed me a talk outline. He was being called out of town in an urgent matter. Would I give the Public Talk for him?

I kid you not.

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C.O.'s: Why Are Elders Such Cowards?

by metatron in

jw
friends

the stories never stop.

abusive, egotistical, demanding, ungrateful and arrogant circuit overseers all over the place and "men" -the elders - take it.. i have seen a number of these itinerant predators offend entire congregations with their behavior and i can count the incidents where elders actually showed some b@lls and stood up to them on one hand.

why are elders such cowards?

TMS

metatron,

As you note, there have been a few who would speak up when the situation merited. Most of us were too concerned about our standing, speaking assignments at the next circuit or district assembly, etc. Another emasculating factor is the "respect for those taking the lead" and "double honor" BS, you know the Aaron/Moses thing.

On an occasion many years ago, I politely disagreed with a CO during an elder's meeting. After the meeting, one arrogant kiss ass who had just been appointed city overseer tried to ignite a "disrespect for a circuit overseer" lynch mob, but the furor quickly dissipated.

I thought of several examples of elder courage after reading your post. I will relate just one from the 70's: Gerald Grizzle was serving as a district overseer and met with the elders. He had a prepared outline from the society which he kept to carefully. As we know the 70's presented a lot of dress and grooming issues. The outline recommended that elders take note of how folks were dressed and groomed when attending church services in our respective communities, the idea being that JW's should reflect at least that standard if not being even more conservative. One very young elder raised his hand and was acknowledged. I still remember his words almost verbatum: "Brother Grizzle, with all due respect, since when do we allow Christendom to set the standard for anything we do?" You could see the blood rush to Grizzle's face. He folded up the outline and aborted the meeting, saying something to the effect that he could see that instructions from the faithful and discreet slave were not being given appropriate honor.

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Is there a higher standard for those seeking reinstatement?

by jabberwock in

it seems that more is required of disfellowshipped people who are trying to be reinstated than witnesses who are in good standing.. for example, i often hear that a disfellowshipped person must have a good record of meeting attendance before being considered for reinstatement.

if they are not regular in attendance their request for reinstatement will be denied.

but, witnesses in good standing are not disciplined or punished in any way for missing meetings.. and what if the disfellowshipped person is known to be socializing with coworkers or dating a worldly person?

TMS

From Pistoff: :

"A far cry from the parable of Jesus, where the prodigal is accepted from a distance and welcomed into the home; no mention of attendance records and interrogation about how he is "showing conduct befitting repentance."

Exactly. The Watchtower version of so-called reinstatement is the exact opposite of the parable of the prodigal son. It's also not a true reinstatement as the next cycle of groveling comes with a gradual "restoration of privileges:. I've seen elders flex their congregational muscles to deny very basic congregational percs like giving a talk in the TMS for some time after reinstatement if the returnee was not catering to their every whim.

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Is there a higher standard for those seeking reinstatement?

by jabberwock in

it seems that more is required of disfellowshipped people who are trying to be reinstated than witnesses who are in good standing.. for example, i often hear that a disfellowshipped person must have a good record of meeting attendance before being considered for reinstatement.

if they are not regular in attendance their request for reinstatement will be denied.

but, witnesses in good standing are not disciplined or punished in any way for missing meetings.. and what if the disfellowshipped person is known to be socializing with coworkers or dating a worldly person?

TMS

What the elders are supposed to be monitoring is evidence of true repentance, but in reality reinstatement involves catering to a very superficial display of attendance, condescension and adherence to whatever arbitrary whims the local judicial committee chooses to impose. Some play the game well, others not so well. A respectful demeanor while sitting on the back row, taking copious notes especially when someone serving on your committee is speaking, dressing down somewhat, never making eye contact with an active JW, making every meeting.

When you meet with the committee considering your reinstatement, you fully acknowledge your sinful course, how the Bible, the Watchtower, the meetings and the wise counsel of the elders has moved you to totally change your thinking and view of matters. If your DFing involved a relationship with another person, you've absolutely cut all ties. . . no association, phone calls, texting, etc. He/she is out of your life.

tms

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"One of" Jehovah's Witnesses

by NeonMadman in

any thoughts on that particular phrasing?

personally, i think the wts uses it as another form of mind control.

by calling the individual "one of jehovah's witnesses," it lends a generic feel to the wording.

TMS

It's certainly considered part of the "pattern of truth" to be grammatically correct identifying oneself as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I've noticed that now my wife and I always use one of the incorrect forms consciously.

Bill Williams, the man I wrote about 8-1/2 years ago http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/5736/1/Not-of-Our-Sort-Part-I identified himself at the door as a "member of a much-maligned sect known as Jehovah's Witnesses". Of course, he never went to the door with a book bag, only a bible in his hand and perhaps a magazine or tract in his inside coat pocket.

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