Posts by Saintbertholdt

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Original Sin / Salvation without a literal Adam and Eve?

by Coded Logic in

something i've never understood is if adam and eve are just metaphorical where did "original sin" come from.

and, if there was no original sin, what is the value of jesus sacrifice?.

i know a lot of christians believe in evolution but i've never understood how such a belief is structured.

Saintbertholdt

Hi Coded Logic, you wrote: I know a lot of Christians believe in evolution but I've never understood how such a belief is structured. My personal experience might be a little different as I didn't accept evolution until after I realized the Bible was something I couldn't justify believing as "divinely inspired".

I'm going to echo Sir82's sentiments, the Catholic church today addresses the problem the same way that Russell originally did: God used evolution but Adam and Eve were specific creations of God.

I find it sort of unsatisfactory and disjointed but it does solve many problems though.

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A Thought Experiment

by InjusticeSystem in

i am hoping some of you may be up for participating in a little creative thought experiment .

the question i would like to pose (and if it has already been asked i apologize, for some reason i cannot search for topics on my mobile) is this: what would the evidence show if the jehovah's witness' literal reading of genesis was true?

i realize that is a fairly broad question, but for example a more pointed question could be: if the vapor canopy hypothesis is correct (i have confirmed with my elder father that this is still a currently accepted understanding), what evidence in our genome or that of other creatures or on earth would we expect to see?

Saintbertholdt

...what evidence in our genome or that of other creatures or on earth would we expect to see?

My first answer does not address your question as it relates to the canopy theory but is rather in line with the question: What if the creation myth was true and evolution was not a real process:

Biological design flaws would not be present e.g. Vas deferens routing

Vestigial pseudo genes for things like tails would not be present in humans.

Probably no animals would posses the combination of canine teeth and claws.

Some things one would expect to find with a factual canopy theory (I could not think of anything specifically related to genetics):

1. A fossil jumble in the Geological layers. Human with T-Rex skeletons and so on. And these jumbled layers would also be found on a grand and global scale.

2. Polar Dinosaurs frozen in relative proximity to mammals like Mammoths in Siberia, with their frozen Dinosaur flesh still attached to the skeletons, in the same way that some Mammoths were found in Siberia.

3. Kangaroo's and Kuala's in the Middle East and not just in Australia.

4. No oil or coal. Instead mega layers of biological decay.

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What are the biggest holes in....

by Darkknight757 in

this piece of cheese?

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Saintbertholdt

There are no holes in that cheese. The faithful and discreet cheese slave was chosen by the Great Cheesemaker after the devastating cheese shortage of 1929. Subsequently the recipe of the cheese improved and all holes were removed. That image is just some propaganda which originated from the Chalk factory.

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What are the biggest holes in the ransom sacrifice?

by Half banana in

how honest are the proponents of jesus as the ransom sacrifice?.

curious to see what type of response there is on a topic like this or does their study only seek to confirm their preconceptions and ignore uncomfortable facts?.

Saintbertholdt

The biggest hole in the ransom sacrifice in my opinion is that there was no risk involved.

According to the Old Testament Jesus would be resurrected on the third day and therefore the whole exercise was a foregone conclusion. So what did it prove? It only showed that an individual would do what is needed if the reward was great enough. Compared to the story of Job, the ransom seems hollow. If Jesus had died and was not resurrected, now that would have been a real sacrifice.

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Man Killed in car crash watching Porn

by StoneWall in

makes me wonder what "flashed" before his eyes at moment of impact/death.http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/82584838-story

Saintbertholdt

Here lies Joe Smith: He came and then he went.

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When Captain America Throws His Mighty Shield!

by Cold Steel in

how does the society feel about two of marvel's most popular avengers?.

first, captain america.

the star-spangled man with a plan.

Saintbertholdt

The society would definitely condemn both heroes.

If I was a Jehovah's Witness I would be drawing parallels between the pervasiveness of these modern mythologies and those of ancient Rome before its fall.

...
So anyone see the Captain America Civil War trailer yet?

It looks like War Machine may kick the bucket while Captain America and Bucky are just hammering Iron Man.

Its gonna be soooooo sweeeeeet!

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Is this a successful marriage ?

by The Rebel in

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friends

a korean man named lee jin-gyr fell in love with a life sized pillow called a " darkimakura" .

the pillow has the image of a cartoon character named fate testarossa on it from an animated cartoon mahon shaojo.

the 28 year old man takes the pillow with him everywhere and they eventually married.. this is part of a growing subculture of men in japan who engage in relationships with pillows that have cartoon characters on them.

Saintbertholdt

Currently I'm in a relationship with Kylo Ren's mask helmet.

Sometimes late at night when no one is around, I... I cuddle with it.

Well I'm trying to work through it and I'm going to this Thursday night group see.

Here's a photo I took:

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Finally posting and I'm FRUSTRATED!!!

by stephanie61092 in

okay, i'm about to engage in a major word vomit.

just giving you fair warning as your time may be better spent somewhere else.. so, i'm sitting on my lunch break, bawling my eyes out, and writing on this forum to people i don't know yet probably have a great deal in common with but at the same time, used to scare the daylights out of me.

for years, i would come across this forum and 'lurk' awhile if you will, or see things on youtube.

Saintbertholdt

Hi Steph,

Tough breaks. Sorry about you miscarriage and the shunning by your family and friends. As I was reading your account I was thinking exactly the same thing as PaintedToeNail: Reinstatement followed by a quick fade.

I'm also glad to hear you're getting some professional help to work through some of the problems. It helps to talk. Well welcome and I hope you get your family back soon.

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What are the biggest holes in evolution?

by shadow in

how honest are the proponents of evolution?

idk but curious to see what type of response there is on a topic like this or does their study only seek to confirm their preconceptions and ignore uncomfortable facts?

Saintbertholdt

In it, he states that (until he published his book) he had not found any scientific paper which addressed or explained the "evolution" of a simple molecule - not a cell.

See: Dynamic Kinetic Stability

Its new, its fresh and now comes with a lemon or pine scent.

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What are the biggest holes in evolution?

by shadow in

how honest are the proponents of evolution?

idk but curious to see what type of response there is on a topic like this or does their study only seek to confirm their preconceptions and ignore uncomfortable facts?

Saintbertholdt

The Rebel,
...And I guess my answer would be a theory is not a fact.

But you can actually do stuff with evolution:

Google: evolutionary algorithm for design OR evolved antenna

It works. Its built into the fundamentals of this Universe.