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  List your favorite, overused scripture by JW's!

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  the title says it all.

  list a scripture that is way over used.. it could be a scripture that the point is completely missed by how they use it.

  it could also be one that they use so much it's as if the rest of the bible didn't exits.. my two favorite are proverbs 4:18 and ezekiel chapter 1 +a few verses.

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  1 Cor 15:33 growing up as a JW it is drilled into your psyche
  
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  Circuit Oversears treated like gods...did this happen in your Hall!!!

  by Witness 007 in

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  brothers would full on laugh at the c.o's lame jokes.

  fight over who gets him for dinner where no expense would be speared..."oh they dont eat flour, sugars or milk products...".

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  One of my most memorable CO experiences will be forever burned in my mind. I was preteen - maybe 10-11 years old. We had a CO couple assigned to our circuit that my parents already knew and were friends with. They had been our CO when we lived in another state and knew my parents since I was an infant. My mom especially idolized the CO's wife, who from my memory was a truly nice woman. Anyway, my parents volunteered to provide lunch after the Sunday meeting. My mom spent days preparing a special brunch for them - I mean hours upon hours and went to quite a bit of expense. We sit down to eat and the CO looks at the meal, says it looks disgusting and asks if we can make him somthing else. It wasn't a strange or odd cuisine, and there were several brunch type options - pancakes, omelets, meat items - but he didn't want any of it. I can still see the look of dejection in my mom's face. My mom wasn't trying to show off, she really just wanted to make sure they had a special meal.

  The CO later became our DO - we saw him often through the years, but I could never look him in the face again. How someone who was supposed to represent a god of love and be an example to flock could be so callous and unkind will stick with me forever.
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  I do not miss anything about the conventions

  by Darth Fader The Sequel in

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  this weekend nearly everyone i have ever known or that i am related to is sitting in a convention.

  i miss none of it!!!!.

  i do not miss:.

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  I miss the apple danish and burritos - yummy! : )
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  What song or line from a song bests describes your time as a JW?????

  by karter in

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  waisted days and waisted nites.. freddy fender..

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  Really, I could probably put together a whole soundtrack of songs that have resonated with me throughout my life - 33 years in, 9 out.

  However, the lyrics of a song that came out when I was a teen always seemed like they could have been written for myself and my brothers - especially being the children of a prominent elder and the "perfect" family to the outside world.

  Handle Me With Care - Travelling Wilbury's
  
  Sent to meetings, hypnotized
  Overexposed, commercialized
  Handle me with care

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  I've been uptight and made a mess
  But I'll clean it up myself, I guess
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  Handle me with care
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  How many members of our forum are there, and where are most from?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  i would love to know where most of our fellow forum members are from.... is there a way to compile a quick list?.

  for example, i would love to know how many live near me......

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  momentofsurrender

  New England, USA
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  What was the most rebellious thing you did while you were a devout jw?

  by DuvanMuvan in

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  i was just thinking about how humans being imperfect and satan's influence was the root of everything bad that anyone has ever done.

  well i know that apparently everyone is vulnerable which got me thinking about what "bad" things people have done while they were a jw.

  i'll start it off.

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  I joined the Y. I was pioneering and couldn't afford heat and hot water. The Y offered really cheap membership and I was able to get in a hot shower before service every day.
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  "Deep down inside even they know it is BS." Discuss

  by rory-ks in

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  nope, bungi bill's interesting statement from this post didn't take, so i'll start its own.. from my own experience, i hated the field ministry.

  it might just be because of the kind of character i am, whatever, i never was able to overcome that feeling of dread every time i went door-to-door.

  i felt aware of how much people disliked having strangers cold-calling trying to sell them something.

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  momentofsurrender

  I can only speak from my own experience here. As a born in, who was doubly isolated by also being home-schooled, I truly believed that we had the truth. When doubts or questions came up I blamed myself - and there was that overwhelming guilt that enshrouded me. There were a few times in an attempt to understand certain reasonings I brought up questions to the elders. I was very sincere. I thought of these elders as men I could trust, one being my own uncle. The result was being severely chastised and basically told never to mention such things again.

  Questions such as David not being stoned for adultery and such always received the same yada yada yada...I figured I had to accept the answers because if I didn't it just meant that I was spiritually weak, immature, or not intelligent enough to understand. And they do play the "not intelligent" card quite often - especially when you are a sister.

  One of the questions was regarding wearing a hat at one of my bible studies when an 11 year old baptized brother was accompanying me. I was an adult pioneer in my late 20's. I had babysat this kid when he was an infant. It just seemed so unecessary and demeaning. Of course, I didn't bring it up that way. I tried to be the humble and sincere sister wondering about correct protocol. I ended up leaving the conversation in tears because of being completely verbally torn down. I believe that was the last time I ever raised a question. If others have the same experience - of course that are going to end up being beaten down sheeple.

  Or, like myself, gradual exposure to a different process of thinking will allow them to take the steps towards healing and development of critical thinking skills.
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  Help needed with some research

  by Doug Mason in

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  i was reading the wts 2103 brochure "how can you have a happy life?".

  in section 3, it relies on "professor george zinsmeister, formerly of the university of massachusetts".. at: http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/06/jehovahs_witnesses_coming_to_a.html.

  i located reference to:.

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  Same person. I grew up in Western Mass. Br. Zinsmeister's son was my age.
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  WT Mantras / Thought Stoppers

  by Ding in

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  i've been thinking about how the gb controls jws through the use of short phrases or scripture quotes (often partial quotes ripped out of context).. think of the sound-bite responses you know jws are going to give you in response to points you try to make to them.. ones that come to my mind immediately are:.

  -- "the light gets brighter and brighter.".

  -- "who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave?".

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  Not so much a thought stopper, but definitely a mantra...especially if you are a born in:
  
  "Bad association spoils useful habits"
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  How Many Remember the Mass Skating Rink Parties of the Late 70's ?

  by Perry in

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  they were a hoot weren't they?.

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  In Western Mass (in the 80's - Rollaway Agawam Mass) we used to have them about once a month on Saturday afternoons. I was a pre-teen and young teenager. Then at an assembly or convention they had a talk and suddenly they stopped. They were really something us kids looked forward to. It was a chance to hang out with kids from other congregations. They were supervised, it was a family thing with all age groups represented - many elders were present. I'm sure there probably were cases where things got out of hand at large gatherings -however those who usually got in trouble would have got in trouble somewhere else anyway. As an innocent indoctrinated JW you rationalize that wow these things must really be bad and venues for all kinds of immoral behaviour. As an adult, out of the organization, all I can do is think how taking away such outlets alienates and compartmentalizes so many young ones. If kids don't have the necessary recreation within the organization, they are going to stray outside. The organization is truly, sorry for the term "screwing" themselves.