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  First 3 Presidents never knew JC began his reign as King in 1914 ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  the first 3 presidents of the i.b.s.a ./ jehovah`s witnesses / wtb&ts.. w.h.conley ,c.t.russell ,j.f.rutherford .. how many jehovah`s witnesses know that ?

  how many ex jehovah`s witnesses knew that ?

  the wt society teaches that jesus returned to begin his "invisible presence" in 1914 directing his attention toward the earth as ruling king.

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  Apparently the 3rd President Rutherford did become aware and taught Jesus began his rule in 1914 some years after becoming president.There is some evidence that Rutherford first mentioned 1914 as the beginning of christs second coming in the 1930`s.

  "Jehovah`s Witnesses Proclaimers of Gods Kingdom" on pages 46 and 47 explains that in 1876 Second Adventist Nelson Barbour succeeded in convincing Charles taze Russell that Christs invisible presence began in 1874. { Apparently 1874 was first taught as the end of 6000 years of mans existence and Jesus return }

  Page 133 mentions this again along with a footnote explaining that a clearer understanding of Biblical chronology pointing to 1914 was published in 1943. That footnote refers to the 1943 book "The Truth That Shall make You Free" that changed the date of Jesus return from 1874 to 1943.The Proclaimers book doesn`t mention any date prior to 1943.

  Captives of a Concept Chapter 3
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  First 3 Presidents never knew JC began his reign as King in 1914 ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the first 3 presidents of the i.b.s.a ./ jehovah`s witnesses / wtb&ts.. w.h.conley ,c.t.russell ,j.f.rutherford .. how many jehovah`s witnesses know that ?

  how many ex jehovah`s witnesses knew that ?

  the wt society teaches that jesus returned to begin his "invisible presence" in 1914 directing his attention toward the earth as ruling king.

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  Thank you all for your response `s I`ll need to go back to the drawing board and check what I have claimed in my OP.
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  First 3 Presidents never knew JC began his reign as King in 1914 ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the first 3 presidents of the i.b.s.a ./ jehovah`s witnesses / wtb&ts.. w.h.conley ,c.t.russell ,j.f.rutherford .. how many jehovah`s witnesses know that ?

  how many ex jehovah`s witnesses knew that ?

  the wt society teaches that jesus returned to begin his "invisible presence" in 1914 directing his attention toward the earth as ruling king.

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  When people quote recent WT publications about what Jehovah`s Witnesses believed back in the days of Russell and Rutherford believed ,you have to remember that WT are great revisionists .

  Look back at the original publications compared to what they now say they said and you will find nothing of the sort.

  As an example WT now give the impression JW`s always taught that JC was to take up his rule as King in 1914 .and rule over survivors on earth.

  What they really did teach was that all of the kingdoms of this world would be overthrown in 1914 at Armageddon and all of the faithful would be taken up to heaven .

  No such belief about a paradise earth where survivors would live.

  I wish I had never thrown out my "Proclaimers" book
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  The Genesis account again proved WRONG

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  according to the watchtower's insight encyclopedia : .

  the catastrophic destruction of men and animals by an overwhelming flood in the days of noah, 2370 b.c.e.

  this greatest cataclysm in all human history was sent by jehovah because wicked men had filled the earth with violence.

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  pistolpete

  ,Many ex jw`s simply use the Bible and JW`s belief in it to drive home a point .

  It doesnt mean that they themselves believe it.
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  First 3 Presidents never knew JC began his reign as King in 1914 ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the first 3 presidents of the i.b.s.a ./ jehovah`s witnesses / wtb&ts.. w.h.conley ,c.t.russell ,j.f.rutherford .. how many jehovah`s witnesses know that ?

  how many ex jehovah`s witnesses knew that ?

  the wt society teaches that jesus returned to begin his "invisible presence" in 1914 directing his attention toward the earth as ruling king.

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  The first 3 presidents of the I.B.S.A ./ Jehovah`s Witnesses / WTB&TS.

  W.H.Conley ,C.T.Russell ,J.F.Rutherford .

  How many Jehovah`s Witnesses know that ? How many ex Jehovah`s Witnesses knew that ? I didn`t.

  What does this mean ? The WT society teaches that jesus returned to begin his "invisible presence" in 1914 directing his attention toward the Earth as Ruling King

  The, the first 3 Presidents believed JC had returned in 1874, as ruling King ?

  Zions WatchTower and Herald of Christs Presence. ( not coming )

  God knew that what they were teaching was not true and therefore they would fail his son`s examination on such an important matter.

  Why didn`t Jehovah God correct their thinking by 1919 ? when they were supposed to have been accepted as the Faithful & discreet slave ? When obviously they were not ? Because they were teaching a false date of his return (Second Coming)

  Information gleaned from the Proclaimers Book ,published by the WTB&TS ,Special thanks to

  Don Camerons "Captives of a Concept" .
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  The Bible speaks of the "Unforgivable Sin" ? What is it ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  do any jehovah`s witnesses or ex jehovah`s witnesses even know what that sin is ?.

  why is such a statement in the bible if its not identified what that sin is ?.

  were the authors of the book just playing with peoples heads ?

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  Do any Jehovah`s Witnesses or ex Jehovah`s Witnesses even Know what that sin is ?

  Why is such a statement in the Bible if its not identified what that sin is ?

  Were the authors of the book just playing with peoples heads ? ....Jehovah ?

  Why would a loving God put that in there and not tell you what that sin is ?
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  Robbing your child of a normal upbringing

  by RiverPeace in

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  2. experiences

  happy to be joining you!.

  i am a 75 year old, who was baptized in 1968. had the full-on jw experience.

  elder since 1974. reg pioneered 20 years.

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  Welcome RiverPeace ,I was a convert at age 20 converted my GF who became my wife and we stayed in the religion for 37 years wherin I brought up two boys in the religion ,among other family members .

  But the good part is everybody is out except one niece.

  Do I have guilt? My bloody oath I do ,but what is done is done and can`t be retracted.Both are now into their second marriage`s and are coping with a successful lifestyle now,and are happy ,one with two young children and one with a grown up son.

  I find that with a lot of people who leave the religion and keep having problems emotionally is simply because ,they have left the religion but the religion has never left them.

  What they need to do is let the religion go once for all time ,and the only way to do that is prove to yourself that you have been duped into believing a man made up religion ,an American made up religion that has used scriptures taken out of context ,quotations of authorities also taken out of context and came up with their own religion that they claim is the truth.And only they have the truth .

  If you have not read Don Camerons "Captives Of A Concept " I strongly advise you to read it ,and then get your son to read it and both of you absorb the message it contains .

  I downloaded it from lulu I think many years ago for less than $ 10 I think.

  It uses WT publications to debunk many of the claims they make asserting they were chosen by God.

  It helps to break the physiological bonds we formed with the religion when we were programmed.

  And of course this site particularly for me anyway.

  I wish you and your family well ,and especially your son.

  Take care.
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  Watch out, here comes the Governing Body!

  by neat blue dog in

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  a picture in this week's wt shows the annointed after being raised to heaven, when they start "smashing the nations".

  creepy!!

  i imagine am3 is out front, it seems like something he's eager for.

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  I can only count 6 in the picture so it looks like they have deleted the 7th coloured GB member ,watsisname.
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  Do old time present day active JW`s genuinely believe in overlapping generations ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  for the life of me i can not come to terms with old timers in the "truth" who could swallow this interpretation of scripture about an overlapping generation .. when jesus spoke about "this generation" .

  are their any real bible students among younger ones any more ?.

  here are 3 bible scriptures that confirm a generation is approximately 40- 50 years long give or take a few years .. 1. matt:1 :17 abraham born 2016-18 bc jesus born 2 bc approx.

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  Bumped for the newbies who might like to comment ?
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  Do You Think Trump Is Done?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  certain forces appear to be trying to make sure donald trump never runs for president again.

  some republicans are clearly abandoning trump and of course the democratic press has been saying trump is done!

  is trump’s goose cooked?

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  In politics anything can happen ?