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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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Reading all the recent comments reminds me of one of my absolute favorite videos of all time, Liar by Henry Rollins. And now for some reason I can't get the embed code to work.

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Lard I Mean Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool - January 2024

by DerekMoors in

okay people, you know the drill.

give us your best estimate for where jabba the hut's fatter, broker cousin will be with patrons on january 2.. some numbers to consider:.

last september is when he did his beg-fest and peaked at 478. just two months later, early november, he was down to 427. .

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Toblerone, Please put me down for 384 because "384 in 2024!" Also, what is that gorgeous font you're using up top for the title and category names?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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I just listened to the Lloyd/Jaracz video and OMG, what a fucking slog that was. I finally had to bump up the playback speed to 1.5 which helped only marginally. Since I had chores to do, I put on my Beats and pressed play. Not being distracted by video, I could pay more attention to his voice. I immediately noticed his very lackluster delivery from the first word, like he really didn't want to have to be doing this, and it didn't get any better from there.

I used to really like watching the WT in Focus/JW Watch episodes regarding the legal issues plaguing the borg, especially when there was a panel of people who actually knew what they were talking about and would produce documents and media articles that I could access and analyze for myself. Those days are gone.

This was a shit show in slow motion, taking forever to get to barely-there points and innuendos and suppositions, but peppered with plenty of disgruntled remarks about Those Who Have Left LloydLand, including sweet-as-pecan-pie Sherrie D'Souza. She was spared the snarky snipes others received, but she was definitely named as a no-longer-Lloyder. However, his real vitriol was saved for... Well, we all know who that was saved for.

The whole thing was 2% sensationalistic nothing that I haven't heard already (except maaaaybe the Pender thing) with the rest being just a petty fallen tyrant getting some digs in while he still has an audience willing to listen. Doesn't anybody watching that thing notice that EVERYBODY he formerly worked with is gone, and by his own admission he is no longer on good terms with any of them? In the real world that's what we call a clue.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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The thread is now locked, too bad, too bad. But I see that Madison made a comment in reply to another person that confirms what people here have been saying about JtG's (Jabba the Gut) alienating his own patrons and doing the lazy least of something he hates.

"He’s not even honest with people inclined to financially support him. Most of his comments in the patrons only page were deflections and lame excuses for not making a scheduled livestream or zoom. I sat in on two but was bored out of my mind. He has nothing to say and he’s counting time as if he couldn’t wait for the hour to be over."

Seems that his little much needed break from doing pretty much nothing and raising a finger to the people who support him isn't getting him the love and loyalty of the money minions he believes (and demands) that it should.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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This was posted today over on reddit. "Things are bad". My stint as a Lloyd Evans Patron. Jabba the Gut isn't getting much love, although a couple of trolls tried to attack the OP. I expect it to stay up, but will copy and paste the text just in case. The OP also links to her blog about the subject, but I haven't read it yet. FYI, the former patron is a single mum.

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A few things I have learned in the months since I have left the JW religion (01/2023):

Question everything ! Don’t always accept what is placed in front of you as either established fact or let it bias you towards believing it because you either heard it first or find it compelling and subconsciously refuse to look into the matter more in depth.

Research things yourself ! Now that you’ve seen and read the information posed to you, do your job and vet this information thoroughly !

Using your critical thinking skills, analyze this information and compare it to information from other sources. Find and locate the conflicting information and focus on this in order to get to the truth of the matter !

Take personal ownership ! You are an adult and a free person, free from the bonds of doctrine or ideology ! Find what answer is the correct one and stick up for what you have found.

Formulate personal principles ! We all know what we believed and how we acted in the religion, but it is time to find out not necessarily what you believe in now, but the principles you hold.

Over the past two months or so, I have come up with this list and posted it on my fridge. It helped me overcome and solve the immediate problem I was facing. The problem I speak of began on April 6th 2023. I didn’t search for this problem any more than it found me ! My phone had a notification of the Lloyd Evans video entitled “Things Are Bad”. Based solely on the information presented by Lloyd, I had made an immediate decision to join as a financial backer, or “Patron”.

One – I believed him in thinking it was critical to keep him funded in order that his work may continue. In the video he claimed it would have been a tragedy if he wasn’t funded enough to continue making videos that could save lives.

Two – I believed that he was subject to a vicious defamation campaign as he presented it. However, I hardly knew anything about it beyond that people had said false and or mean things about him. I didn't really know what these things were.

Three – I believed that he was critical in helping JWs and former JWs cope with their exit. He explained this in the context of the more videos he creates the more lives he will touch and their lives would be saved from indoctrination.

Conclusions:

It was not critical to keep him funded as it remains unclear due to a lack of transparency on his part as to how much in need he was. Lloyd has taken a few vacations since then and has posted about it, one lasting for two weeks. He also regularly misses scheduled Patrons-only calls and claimed he was “burned out” after coming back off vacation. I have come to the conclusion that he needed the money to fund extracurricular activities he was participating in and the quality and frequency of his videos actually suffered due to this excessive time off.

The defamation campaign is really two different things mashed together. There are people who dislike him and wish to either oppose him or his work and are quite vocal about it. At the same time, most of the topics frequently visited regarding him are indeed confirmed by him in his Jan 31 2022 livestream, subsequent social media posts and the Andrew Gold interview. At best Lloyd is a liar who can’t keep his story straight. Since his lies reflect directly on his reputation as a credible source of information, I can no longer rely on him being truthful.

Lloyd Evans has a large audience, but his views are comparable to and even eclipsed by many others. He is no longer the main source of x JW content. His reputation has been smeared by his own actions as admitted to and demonstrated by Lloyd Evans himself. To suggest that more lives can be saved by keeping him funded to his desired levels is manipulative. He has not followed through on his promises to improve the channel.

I have terminated my Patreon membership to Lloyd Evans.

Please read my blog for the full account:

https://the-lowdown-with-madison.webador.com/madison-s-blog/1467460_things-are-bad

Madison.

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Breaking news website

by yalbmert99 in

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regularly updated ex-jw website:.

https://www.watchtowerlies.com/news_about_jehovah_s_witnesses.html.

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That looks to be quite a good resource. Thanks for posting. How did you find it? Is it your site?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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@NewGuy23

Do you know how to get a copy of that doc from the Croatian court? You said that you have your own legal case pending. Does the court e-file? Do they post docs in addition to registers of action? Or, at the very least, do you have a link to the relevant page? Do you know of anyone who would be willing to go to the courthouse and pull that file if it's not available online?

That's a lot of questions, I know. But I think I speak for most of us here when I say the contents of that filing are of great interest round about these parts and we are quite eager to see what they say.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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There is a new thread over on reddit, 3 hours old as of this writing. LJE doesn't seem to be faring too well and the mods haven't yet intervened.

"Lloyd Evans is asking for money because he says his activism needs it and is almost bankrupt.

In Lloyd's recent plea for money, he shows how he can't help but emulate the JWs. There is a vague and powerful force against him, don't listen to what they say, it's all lies, it's your job to give him money to support his efforts to save lives."

Link to the thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/12eq991/lloyd_evans_is_asking_for_money_because_he_says/

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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I initially saw the post when it first landed 6 hours ago and only had one comment. Just looked again and it seems it has been edited 3 hours ago, but not sure how much beyond adding a TL;DR.