Thanks for the advice, I will seriously study it. I need it at times.
spectromize
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Question for Women.
by spectromize inwhy is it so hard to read what a woman is really thinking?
and what are the no no's when trying to ask a woman for a date and how do you know a woman is interested in you?.
i would really appreciate help, seems i lack in the right touch, tonight i was just told off by a cute lady, i honestly didn't recognized her and made the mistake of telling her so.
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Disfellowshipping, again
by somebody ini'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.
please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".
any input would be of help.
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spectromize
Frenchy,
OK so here we are. The brother finally does not deny it, that is the supposed affair with the other woman.
Solution #1
One responsible person taking the lead should speak to him privately and ask him if he sees anything wrong with what he is doing. I mention only one person to talk for the simple fact that it's less intimadating for someone to talk and open up than having three or two.
Depending on the answer you get from this individual and at this time we will assume that he answers he doesn't see anything wrong then the next step would be to ask him in all sincerity and truth if he has ever been treated for an emotional illness or clinical depression or a disease of the mind. Of course those are all personal questions and can hurt an individual so the wise course for a shepperd to shepperd his flock is to have gotten close to individuals in the group so that a shepperd is well acquainted with Jehovah's sheep and their strength and weaknesses.
Now at this point let us assume that this brother says no to the questions and answers truthfully.
The next step would be to help him see by giving him specific examples of the course he is on, to show him how very destructive it is and those closest to him.
If he doesn't want any help and his mind is made up to see this woman then nothing is going to change it for the present. You have to remember that Jehovah God has given the moral laws and there are consequenses for breaking then just as there are for breaking the physical ones. When gravity hits you in between the two eyes only time tells whether the impact leaves you standing.
The thirty days off would be suggested to this individual to take a break away from the cong. and the group and to take time to clear his head. They would not be labelled and no announcement would be made but the family and all those involved close to him would be talked to and notified.
In a case like this individuals usually self destruct, I've seen it happen in one cong. that I was in, the brother who happenned to be an elder didn't want to let go of his affair. He lost his eldership, was disfellowshipped, lost huge amounts of money from his successful business due to the wife and mistress fighting for control, lost his whole family except for his wife who was willing to forgive him if he would let go of his affair and finally the stress got to much for him he died a short time later in his early fifties. All of this took place within a year. I went to the funeral and it was a real crying shame to lose such an intelligent gifted man.
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Hello
by Angharad inhi all, thought it was about time i started posting as i have been lurking for so long.
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spectromize
Hi Angharad!
Please let us know a little about yourself.
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Question for Women.
by spectromize inwhy is it so hard to read what a woman is really thinking?
and what are the no no's when trying to ask a woman for a date and how do you know a woman is interested in you?.
i would really appreciate help, seems i lack in the right touch, tonight i was just told off by a cute lady, i honestly didn't recognized her and made the mistake of telling her so.
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spectromize
Seven,
Thanks for the secret. Just makes it easier to get over my shyness. I have to tell you that there is such a big diffrence between American girls and Canadian. Canadian girls are a tough breed to get along, they can be real spoiled brats if they don't get their way. Of course not all of them are like that. I always found the American girls easy to talk with and fun to be with. I get a good chuckle listening to the accents depending the area you come from.
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Hello Everyone
by Scorpion injust stopped by to say hi!.
the family is doing great and so are the turtles.
mr.t our 90 year old land tortoise is being shown at a church play tommorrow night.. all of the witnesses have nothing to do with my wife and kids even though none of my kids or wife were baptized as jws.
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spectromize
Hi SC,
Good to hear from you, no shunning going here. Glad to hear your family is doing great.
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Question for Women.
by spectromize inwhy is it so hard to read what a woman is really thinking?
and what are the no no's when trying to ask a woman for a date and how do you know a woman is interested in you?.
i would really appreciate help, seems i lack in the right touch, tonight i was just told off by a cute lady, i honestly didn't recognized her and made the mistake of telling her so.
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spectromize
Why is it so hard to read what a woman is really thinking? And what are the no no's when trying to ask a woman for a date and how do you know a woman is interested in you?
I would really appreciate help, seems I lack in the right touch, tonight I was just told off by a cute lady, I honestly didn't recognized her and made the mistake of telling her so.
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Disfellowshipping, again
by somebody ini'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.
please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".
any input would be of help.
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spectromize
Frenchy,
Can you please give me a specific example of persistent wrong doing, and in this way I'm better able to explain the 30 day off.
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Disfellowshipping, again
by somebody ini'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.
please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".
any input would be of help.
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spectromize
Frenchy,
You asked:" What should be done about about serious wrongdoers ( thieves, drunkards, drug users and pushers, fornicators, child molesters ect.) in the congregation?
Most of the serious wrongs you mentioned can be handled by the law of the land in various degrees of punishment from serious to more serious. Even fornication such as sleeping with someone under age, and depending on the country you live such as in some Arab lands, fornication is illegal with various degrees of punishment by the arm of the state.
So the first step would be to let the law of the land handle it.
I personally believe the society is wrong in their approach to the system of justice they have set up by the abuse of the disfellowshipping arrangement along with the by-products of shunning.
The spirit should be to gain your brother or sister or child as was Christ's spirit with the fellowship he provided with the arrangement of the christian congregation.
But you have to remember that doesn't mean to be dumb and naive as far as serious wrondoers are concerned due to the corrupting and dividing influence it could have on a group of people, first let the law of the land deal with them and second if the christian congregation has to deal with the odd problem, then great care should be made to establish the facts in cases of fornication or other, and great wisdom should be used in difficult case where many peoples lives are involved. If guilt is established and I'm talking very general here, I would give someone in the congregation 30 days off from the congregation and they would be welcomed back at the end of this period of time. All of this would be done without attaching a label to the person such as disfellowship, excommunicated or call it what you may. In this way you would make it easier on the individual to see his wrong way and come back without that label attached to him, to associate within the brotherhood and especially with his immediate family who could provide him with more support than anyone else in some cases to do the right thing before Jehovah God.
It is also everyones responsibilty as Christ encourages us to choose our close associates in a manner and hope that they too will manifest the fruits of the spirit. All of this can be done discreetly without showing yourself a bigot.
LOVE CONQUERS!
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Missing in Action?
by Seven ini checked every milk carton at my local convenience store for the following people:.
1. spectromize.
2. roamingfeline.
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spectromize
Hi Seven,
Just to let you know I'm ok. Just been really busy fixing things around my place and working and also planning my staying in Florida for the winter. I occasionally browse and usually like to answer everybody when I post a thread which takes a lot of time of which I don't have right now as I'm not very fast at typing. Thanks for your concern and I do read your threads. I enjoyed the ones you put up in the Kids forum. God bless you on your love of children it's really nice to see that.
Tu est une artiste ? Je suis a peu pres certain que tu est tres jolie dans ton choix de vetement et aussi tres a la mode. Le garcon qui te courte devrait etre tres chanceux!
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Disassociated
by Scorpion init has been an experience to say the least.
i accepted eagerly the teachings of the watchower bible and tract society over the last 7 years.
i have been a dedicated pioneer for four of those years.
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spectromize
SC,
I wish you all the best and if you feel that's the best way for you then so be it. For me rest assured that I will never shun you and it's always a pleasure to read your posts and talk to you.
Christian love,
Your brother spectromize.