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  Had to laugh.

  by Lost in the fog in

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  i had to laugh.. i bumped into a friend who has started going back to the meetings and who has that enthusiastic arm-waving way of talking about the stuff they're hearing from the platform.. in part he's wittering on about some talk they'd had about king david and all of his ups and downs.

  and says, "and as the speaker emphasized over and over again, we can imitate david because he was a man just like ourselves.".

  " i finally interrupted.. that shut him up.

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  King David summoned a married woman to his chambers and had sex with her, then he tried to cover it up and finally arranged for the death of her husband in order to take her as his own wife. God was so angry when he saw this that he... killed David's newborn son.

  Maybe people want to empathize with King David because he literally got away with murder, and possibly with kidnap and rape. And anytime he angered God, other people paid the price with their lives. Then he was rewarded by becoming part of the lineage that would lead to the birth of Christ. Kind of a charmed life, when you think about it.
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  which Translation Now?

  by enoughisenough in

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  for those of you who still respect the bible, which translation/s are you using now?

  why?.

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  I usually go to biblehub.com if I want to read it or find specific passages. I prefer the NIV and ESV.
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  2022-10-04-Documents!

  by Atlantis in

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  2022-10-s-147-announcements and reminders.

  2022-10-04-mandatory reporting training.

  2022-10-04-questions and answers concerning the online course for mandatory reporting.. .

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  TonusOH

  Thanks, Atlantis.

  I chuckled at seeing the "mandatory reporting training" and then the "QA regarding the mandatory reporting training." I would imagine the first Q/A would be:

  Q: Do we really have to do this?

  A: You'd better, if you know what's good for you.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  The thing is, even that cautiously-crafted statement will not prevent Evans from feeling that O'Donnell betrayed him. He may not come out and say it directly, but he's saying that Evans actions are questionable at best, and contemptible in light of his activities involving CSA investigations. I think by now, it's pretty clear that if you do not support Evans 101%, he will see you as an enemy and antagonist. If Mark thinks that he might once again find himself in Lloyd's good graces, he may not realize that getting back on his good side would likely involve a full retraction and apology and a promise to never even think of crossing him. And Evans would never let him live it down, either, because he's not the kind to forgive and forget.
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  JW Obession with the trinity

  by Riley in

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  so a few years i watched a lecture series by a man named dr. micheal heiser called the two powers in heaven, jesus in the old testament.

  funny thing was it wasn't even very evangelical in nature, so i turned off my religious binders and just watched it like a regular person.

  it turns out that the new testament is a hinge point in the bible.

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  I don't know if it does or doesn't. But if they do not bring up their view of the trinity, or if they do not emphasize it, they might also attract people who might otherwise turn them away.
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  JW Obession with the trinity

  by Riley in

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  2. bible

  so a few years i watched a lecture series by a man named dr. micheal heiser called the two powers in heaven, jesus in the old testament.

  funny thing was it wasn't even very evangelical in nature, so i turned off my religious binders and just watched it like a regular person.

  it turns out that the new testament is a hinge point in the bible.

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  They may also be ignoring it because they need all the converts they can get, and anything that might prevent people from joining or staying will get short shrift in the hopes that it doesn't become an issue for them.
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  UK Tax cut for the wealthiest

  by BettyHumpter in

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  TonusOH

  Without knowing how much those men are making, it's difficult to determine how fair the system was.

  But also, that's not quite an accurate representation of the tax system either. It's possible that, after the bartender gave the group a break, the last four men would be paid to drink beer (tax credits).

  And of course, if that tenth guy was Elon Musk, he might have paid the largest booze bill in human history... or not paid anything at all.

  I guess I could keep going. The point is, the tax system in the USA is fucked.
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  Babylon the Great and the last Pope

  by mikeflood in

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  what do you guys think of the evangelicals theory about babylon the great and the last pope...just starting this big book out of curiosity...like 500 pages...it seems there is a lot of different thinking from the borg.

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  ThomasMore: They get it wrong with such frequency that I have wondered if they were intentionally trying to misdirect their followers through blatant confusion.

  That's how I see it. Rutherford was so determined to rebuild the entire religious structure of the organization that he reinterpreted as much of the Bible as he could and built a cult around the ideas that he invented. He seemed to want to interpret scripture specifically in opposition to generally-regarded ideas and interpretations. After all, one way to show that you are God's only chosen is to show how everyone else gets it wrong.

  The leadership has followed that approach ever since, and held on to some ideas no matter what. The teachings on blood have been softened so much that they don't really match the original intention, but they can still point to it as a differentiator between them and "Christendom." And they still come up with new light that further changes things while still clinging to a shred of the original idea, like the teaching about generations.

  I think they long passed the point where it stopped making sense and they are just making sure that they can claim that they are different because they are the only ones who have the 'real truth.' They are a bunch of old men who have spent so many years listening only to one another that they ended up in a bubble where any idea, no matter how nonsensical to a normal person, sounds great to them.
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  UK Tax cut for the wealthiest

  by BettyHumpter in

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  TonusOH

  Aye, humanity is very smart on the micro level, but we're very much like every other animal species on the macro level. We're smart and dumb enough to be dangerous.
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  A list of failed predictions of Christ's Return

  by fulltimestudent in

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  someone associated with wikipedia has compiled this list of the many failed predictions of christ's return.

  the predictions seem to come from many believers across a spectrum of various religions.

  it does however, miss one that we would be aware of, freddy franz's 1975.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/predictions_and_claims_for_the_second_coming.

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  God's rest day was right after the creation. The stuff about a "7th 1000 year period of the 7th creative day" is made up nonsense from Franz. He used it to imply that 1975 would mark a specific point on God's timetable, making it seem as if Armageddon had to occur at that time. He would occasionally insist that he wasn't setting any dates, knowing how much trouble Rutherford created with his 1925 predictions. But JWs understood what he meant, just as they "understood" the revised claims that were made after the fact.