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  PIMA sitting on the fence

  by PimoElder in

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  technically, an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a god, while an agnostic is someone who doesn't believe it's possible to know for sure that a god exists..

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  If the existence of a god or gods became clear, then we would need to update that definition.

  By the definition of agnostic above, both theists and atheists can be (and likely are) agnostic. After all, we are describing beliefs, even though many religious people (and no small number of non-believers) are confident that they know, not just believe. I think our minds work this way, where we are uncomfortable not being sure. Although I do not write off the possibility of a god existing, I live my life as if I am sure none does.

  If Yahweh were to announce his existence in the way that is typical for him, neither the atheist nor the agnostic would be given much time to make any adjustments in their thinking.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  He didn't do a good job of removing critical reviews, since some brutal ones are still there on the Amazon page for his book.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  current policy is to report any genuine sex crimes straight away

  I assume this means that you are to report any accusations of a sex crime. JW elders are not police detectives or forensic investigators. They should be asking law enforcement to do its job, not waiting to determine if a report is genuine or not. If the organization is not making this clear, then they are still failing to protect children, as Mr. Lett wants us to believe.
  
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  Mind control

  by joao in

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  2. experiences

  wt has really been doing a great job at mind-controlling their members.

  how can people who say they are your friends not even want to know why you're leaving when you want them to know?!

  eh!

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  What is truly corrupting about shunning is that it is supposedly done out of love-- out of a sincere desire to help the lost sheep find their way back into god's arms. The cruelty of telling people that they must turn their back on people they have come to know, love, and deeply care about is staggering. The pain it has caused families over time is tremendous, and often it is a lasting kind of damage that never heals and affects many more people than just those directly involved.

  The fact that they say it is done out of love, when it is an act/behavior utterly devoid of love, is a crime. That they proudly present it as an idea borne in the heart of a being that is kind, loving, and generous makes you realize the kind of awful, twisted things that we can be made to believe.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  I found this comment by Michele Birch

  She tries very hard to make it clear that she likes him and wants him to succeed. But I think that, if he replies, she will realize that he only sees the attack, not the encouragement or supportive words. He'll attack her and dismiss her as just another hater or bully, someone he will gladly do without.
  

  And at some point, when he's run off all of the Michele Birch's out there, he'll complain bitterly about how no one wants to support him, how exJWs live only to see him crumble and fall. And he'll still be ready for a fight in the comments. Some people's lives serve mostly as a lesson for others on how not to do things.
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  If I'm not mistaken, he was near to 900 patrons before the number began to drop. Since a person can become a patron at any time, the way the total fluctuates is more dependent on how often Patreon (and any sites that track creators) updates its numbers.

  Losing almost 350 patrons in three months is massive, but it seems like the avalanche has stopped. From here on out, the number might stabilize or grow/shrink very slowly. That is, of course, subject to change if any new info or videos surface that draw more attention to the issues he has. I wouldn't worry about it. The real world doesn't usually work like a Hollywood film, where everything is settled quickly and in the most absolute terms.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Cedars must be LOVIN' all this attention!

  Not that it matters, but he has shown a marked aversion to being criticized even mildly. He does seem to love attention, but only if it's positive-bordering-on-obsequious. To the extent that he will even acknowledge this thread, it is to gripe that it's an example of the "bullying" that he has been subjected to ever since he pantsed himself on video.

  Reverse-psychology doesn't work so well in this case, since it's more like slowing down to watch the scene of an accident. We all say that we shouldn't stop and stare, but no one is able to resist...
  
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  Directions that don't make sense to us

  by Longlivetherenegades in

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  at times those appointed to take the lead may give direction that does not make sense to us.

  however, jehovah blesses obedience.

  .......watchtower november 2021 study article 47 paragraph 11. for example:for example: so the king(david) said to joab go take a census of israel (2 samuel 24: 1.....) .

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  That has always been the organization's view- obedience is more important than anything else. If you disagree with the organization, and they eventually come around to your way of viewing an issue, they can still remove you as an apostate. Being correct was not what mattered- obeying the WTS/GB was, even when they were wrong.
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  The One Way Speed of Light Could Be Instantaneous

  by Sea Breeze in

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  physics students learn the speed of light, c, is the same for all inertial observers but no one has ever actually measured it in one direction.

  assuming that light travels the same speed in all directions is a convention, rather than an experimentally verified fact.

  this really challenges what we think we know.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptn6ewhb27k&ab_channel=veritasium .

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  I think that TD is saying that, if you know the distance you are measuring, and if you can record the time the light takes to return, then you also know the time it took to travel to the reflective surface.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  A day in the life ...
  Dijana: "Can you bring that last bag of shopping in Lloyd?"
  Lloyd: "How much? Make me an offer ..."

  D: "But it's just a bag of grocer--"

  L: "Do not demean me, woman! Carrying bags into the house is my life's work, and I won't let you bully me into giving up! My efforts matter too much!"

  D: "Oh, goodness! I'll do it myse--"

  L: "Trying to steal my thunder? How dare you! Push me aside and grab all the glory for yourself? Is that how it works?"

  D: *slams the door shut, leaving L outside*

  L: "So now I see how it is! Sorry dear, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to add you to the litigation!"

  D: *props a chair against the door...