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  Bethelite viewers: Ever thought of this?

  by BoogerMan in

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  in the nwt, revelation 5:10 is worded thus: “and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our god, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”.

  however, in the original greek, (kingdom interlinear translation) it is more accurately translated as, “and you made them to the god of us kingdom and priests, and they are reigning upon the earth.” (several scriptures validate the location as being earth).

  the wording of 1 peter 2:9, 10 in the nwt confirms the accuracy of the k.i.t.

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  I always found it interesting that they were willing to publish the interlinear version, considering that it would point out a lot of places where their interpretation seemed at odds with the original text. It is a testament to how firmly they control the flock- they really never worried that people would make a big deal out of it, so they could confidently bully or DF the small number who might try.
  
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  Oct 8 1966 Awake! PDF-- pushes 1975 date

  by cabasilas in

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  details about how to download the october 8, 1966 awake!

  magazine pdf will appear at the end of this post.

  background.

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  From the most reliable investigations of Bible chronology
  

  
  

  Just a reminder: someone wrote that with a straight face.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  That was one of the stranger parts of the video, watching Evans try to chastise a guy who advised him to stop acting like a massive douchebag. In Evans's world, it is a rare husband indeed who manages not to buy sex every few weeks for years on end.

  Saintly Brandon's wife frequently counts her blessings. "All of my lady friends are so jealous! Their men just run about, letting their penises make all of the decisions. But not my Brandon! His self-control is legendary! Why, just the other day he managed to maintain complete and utter mastery over his penis, thus ensuring an uneventful trip to the supermarket. I pinch myself all the time to remind myself that it's real... and because my saint of a husband wouldn't dream of pinching me without written consent. I really don't deserve him!"
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  Does anyone have a photo copy they can share of a TMS topic?

  by jojorabbit in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am looking for a tms that was published in the early 70s that said many have sold homes to go where the need was great, this is a fine way to spend ones time in the last days.

  i am trying to remember how it was said to the best of my knowledge but this is close.

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  If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

  There you go, an example of an absolute statement regarding the end. If you are a young person, it is a FACT that you will NEVER grow old. That was over 50 years ago.

  And in case anyone wants to quibble over how to define "young person" or "grow old", keep in mind that they go on to say that even six or eight years might be all that is left. This is the same organization that encouraged young people not to marry or have children in the late 1930s. Is it long enough to point out how wrong and awful that was?
  
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  Does anyone have a photo copy they can share of a TMS topic?

  by jojorabbit in

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  2. bible

  i am looking for a tms that was published in the early 70s that said many have sold homes to go where the need was great, this is a fine way to spend ones time in the last days.

  i am trying to remember how it was said to the best of my knowledge but this is close.

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  One of my relatives vehemently denies that the watchtower society said anything about 1975.

  My mother insists that she understood this to be the case from very early on, and once told me that she corrected the woman giving her the Bible study when she was just starting. I am sure she believes that this is what happened now, but I don't believe it for a moment. I think she joined because she thought it was going to happen and figured that Armageddon would be a quick ticket out of a dreary life she had trapped herself in.

  When 1975 came and went and nothing happened, she accepted the company line and kept waiting for the end, since it was "very close." Almost 50 years later, she's still convinced that it will come any day now. She's a very smart and capable person, who squandered her talent and ability because she was waiting for something better to come along.
  
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  Verifying The Claim The IBSA ,not JW ,were approved by Jehovah God / Christ Jesus as God`s Chosen People in 1919 ??

  by smiddy3 in

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  how do they verify this claim,if they can and how easy do we debunk this claim if we can ?.

  what is needed to verify a claim made by anyone or an organization ?.

  i`m interested in what you have to say about this ..

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  I don't see how it is possible to verify the claim that God made a choice/decision at any time. That's why it's so common for religious groups to point at some event, link it to a handful of scattered verses in a book/poem, and claim that it means something.

  It's more possible to check claims and see how accurate they are (or aren't).
  

  The JWs claim that God blessed their organization in 1919, with the implication being that after a period where they were tested, they were suddenly and inexplicably released from prison, with their long sentences commuted as if by a miracle. But it seems that their release in 1919 was engineered when Rutherford agreed to remove certain pages/passages from one of his books, which were highly critical of the Catholic Church.

  If the latter is the case (I don't remember where I read about it), then there is nothing miraculous or divine about their release from prison in 1919. They simply cut a deal and then pretended that it didn't happen the way it did. That doesn't strike me as the kind of thing a group actually blessed by God would have done.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Re: recognizing morals, the human mind is capable of amazing feats of compartmentalization (a flaw that cults like the JWs take ready advantage of). Remember that, in his video confession, Evans defended himself by stating that he had not committed murder or rape. Which is to say, he redefined what a "MORAL PERSON" is, to ensure that he was still a MORAL PERSON even after admitting to behavior that most people agree is clearly immoral.

  And then he, MORAL PERSON that he is, can persist in expressing disgust and judgment towards others for actions that are far less egregious than his own. The grifter's first target is always himself.
  
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  Does anyone have a photo copy they can share of a TMS topic?

  by jojorabbit in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am looking for a tms that was published in the early 70s that said many have sold homes to go where the need was great, this is a fine way to spend ones time in the last days.

  i am trying to remember how it was said to the best of my knowledge but this is close.

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  Didn't it originally say "months remaining" and was later revised?

  I do love how they still have to deal with the fact that "short time remaining" doesn't quite cover a period of 48 years...
  
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  Hello Everyone

  by JohnPaul in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everyone i would like to say hello to everyone,.

  i just started attending kingdom hall about a month ago now and am doing bible study with a brother..

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  Hi JohnPaul,

  As others have said, it won't hurt to gather some background information on the JWs before you make a commitment. And perhaps ask some questions to gauge the reaction of the individuals; you might be surprised to find out how little they know about the history of their group, and how little they want to know.

  This does not mean that they are bad people, and I have no doubt they sincerely wish to help you know God and be saved. But they are conditioned to reject any information that would allow them to analyze their organization and belief system. I consider that to be unhealthy, and the darker aspects of the group are not made clear until you are quite far in.

  Good luck, either way.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  don't you think he loves to read everything being written.

  I think he likes feeling that he is important enough to warrant a long topic, as it feeds his ego. But, as I have mentioned before, he seems to be very thin-skinned and really hates being criticized. Having a topic where his critics and detractors can point out his flaws and talk about him --and where he cannot post in response-- is probably not something he is enjoying at all.

  But that is besides the point, anyway. What he does or does not enjoy about this topic makes no difference to me, in regards to whether I comment or what I say.