Posts by Silverleaf

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Do you beleive in God, the bible or religion?

by Leander in

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i'm pretty sure this question has probably been asked before but i'd like to put it out here and see what the responses are.

my doubts about the bible probably began maybe 6 or 7 years ago, they were very small ones however and i managed to supress them for quite a while.

however certain events in my life would make those events resurface.

Silverleaf

Do you believe in God, the Bible or religion... good question.

I was never sure if I believed in God - and was often sure he didn't believe in me. It wasn't until I read the Bible that I realized the God everyone was talking about could not possibly warrant anyone's worship or devotion if he truly was responsible for the atrocities described therein, and it wasn't until I began studying Wicca that I sat down to read the Bible.

After years of searching and always feeling a void, I can say now that I believe in the Goddess - I never felt anyone was listening to my prayers until I directed them to Her. I do not believe in the Bible - it is so full of contradictions and vile examples of God's "love" that it cannot possibly be divinely inspired. I do not and have never believed in religion and never will - I've seen too many examples of how religion is used as an excuse for people to abuse one another. Spirituality is what's important and the only divine wisdom we need is what is written in the world right in front of us, we don't need a book, a translator, a mediator or a magazine to have a relationship with the divine.

Silverleaf

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Happy Mothers Day to all Mommys!!!!!!

by Cassiline in

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happy mother's day!!!!

for all the mommys who stay up all night with a sick child.

for those who are a taxi to every event under the sun, the cooks, maids, doctors, nurses to every cut and scrape.

Silverleaf

Dearest hilda,

You write: >May I lean on one of the biggest dogs in this forum for a moment?<

Can you clarify this statement please?

>I wish to be as wise and profound as you, dear.<

Then study Paganism and perhaps you will someday.

Can you please tell me what the purpose of setting aside one day a year for your dad or mom is? Why not honor them everyday? Where does this tradition come from, dear?

I will honestly say I don't know where the tradition comes from, but I can say that setting aside one day of the year and calling it Mother's Day or Father's Day or Grandparent's Day or Secretaries Day or whatever day you want to call it, does not and should not diminish the respect and gratitude those people deserve all year long. Getting upset about having one day called a particular day certainly serves no purpose.

>Why is the argument about everyday being mother's or father's day weak? O tell me, wise one of the forum?<

It's weak because it's usually used by people, at least in my personal experience, who do not honor their parents at all. It's usually an argument uttered with a smug grin by someone who thinks they are spouting a profundity that they think the rest of us are too shallow to understand.

Silverleaf

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Happy Mothers Day to all Mommys!!!!!!

by Cassiline in

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happy mother's day!!!!

for all the mommys who stay up all night with a sick child.

for those who are a taxi to every event under the sun, the cooks, maids, doctors, nurses to every cut and scrape.

Silverleaf

Oh, and Happy Mother's Day all! I hope everybody gets a chance to relax and enjoy the day.

Silverleaf

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Happy Mothers Day to all Mommys!!!!!!

by Cassiline in

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happy mother's day!!!!

for all the mommys who stay up all night with a sick child.

for those who are a taxi to every event under the sun, the cooks, maids, doctors, nurses to every cut and scrape.

Silverleaf

Hilda,

Maybe you should call yourself Hilda in Paul rather than Hilda in Christ if you think the words of a mysogynist apostle are more important than the Commandment that says 'Honor thy father and mother.'

I always thought that old argument was so weak - 'oh shouldn't everyday be mother's day... blah blah blah...' It certainly doesn't hold true for those whose parents are DF or DA and are shunned with the idea that it's more important to follow the laws of the WTS than the Bible.

Silverleaf

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Is Anything Worth Dying For?

by HildaBingen in

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i often hear people here talk about the horrible jw willingness to die for blood transfusions.

maybe jws are mistaken when it comes to the bt issue; maybe not.

however i wonder if there is anything that is really worth dying for in this life.. for me, to live is christ and to die is gain.

Silverleaf

Hi Hilda,

Your question didn't strike me as trollish. I think freedom is worth dying for. If I had the choice let's say of living under the rule of an oppressive, cruel religion or government, or die fighting for a better way of life for myself and my children I would chose to fight and possibly lose my life rather than live let's say as women are forced to live under Taliban rule or some other such nonsense that goes on in the less enlightened societies on this planet.

I strongly disagree however that it is sensible or proper to throw away ones life in order to remain 'loyal' to a deity. The idea is absurd to me and very hyprocritical of religions who go around spouting how sacred life is and yet how horrible it is at the same time. Either you see life as a gift from God that should be cherished, or you see it as a punishment from God that should be endured until it's over and you get something better as a reward for your sacrifice. Either way throwing in the towel over a blood transfusion is obscene.

I do, however defend that everyone has a right to live their lives or die as they see fit. If someone truly believes they must allow themselves to die to remain loyal to their god, that's their business entirely. I object when they feel they have to make that decision for their children - allowing them to die to keep them somehow 'pure' for God's sake is not the act of a decent parent.

just my 2 cents, not intended to offend anybody,

Silverleaf

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Has Christ Risen?

by Silverleaf in

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i'm feeling peckish today so i thought i'd start a thread.

i passed a church today that had one of those signs out front where they post a new message every week or so.

the message today was:.

Silverleaf

I'm feeling peckish today so I thought I'd start a thread. I passed a church today that had one of those signs out front where they post a new message every week or so. The message today was:

Christ has risen.

I was a little surprised. I figured if that were the case it would be front page news, maybe the web would even carry the headline. I was also a little confused as to where Christ would 'rise' from. Shouldn't he 'descend' if he's returning to Earth?

It just struck me as a very misleading message.

Silverleaf

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Dear God, Ordinarily, I wouldn't bother You...

by Elsewhere in

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http://www.arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0502montini02.html .

the prayers of a smart aleck are answered .

dear god,.

Silverleaf

This is great. LOL! There must be a paragraph missing though - there's no mention of the lottery winners who thank God for answering their prayers to receive countless millions while ignoring those who pray for enough cash to buy their next meal. Those people are my personal favorites.

Silverleaf

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Is atheism genetic?

by Teirce in

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enough authorities say that homosexuality is.

or in other words, what causes atheism?

does the wts cause it?

Silverleaf

I've always thought religion caused atheism.

Silverleaf

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Make love in the woods on Beltane!

by Sirona in

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merry beltane!

(april 30th-may 1st).

in the old celtic times, young people would spend the entire night in the woods "a-maying," and then dance around the phallic maypole the next morning.

Silverleaf

Blessed be, Sirona!

Silverleaf

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non-jw's please check in here

by dungbeetle in

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i don't know if anyone has said this before, but i wanted to say a big thank you to all of you non-jw's who have put up with us and stayed with us and helped us out so much.. i know offhand: jerome, detective, and hawkaw.

i know there are many many more of you, but please step up here and take a very well-deserved bow and get a very well-deserved hand from me and from others..

salute!!!!!

Silverleaf

Not a JW but I considered it once. I'm glad I followed my head and not my heart. I came here to learn what would make someone leave such a "wonderful organization" and I found the strength to deal with a lot of issues that had bothered me for years. I stay because - I'm completely addicted to the diversity of discussion and in the hope I can help someone who is in the same position I was in.

Silverleaf