Posts by Spiral

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this weeks video on older ones stepping down

by road to nowhere in

what i caught was how they were baffled by having to be in "the world".

then any and all help came from friends offering money, food, apartments, jobs.

can't anyone see how they people are used up and then discarded?.

Spiral

@john.prestor, I was also listening in while my Mom and a friend listened to a video just this week. So slow in presentation it seemed to be aimed at a preschooler.... anyway, the whole theme was Jehovah will support you even if you tell your boss you can't work Sundays, meeting nights, etc., etc.

They just love to encourage people to stay poor, don't they?

I can't understand why more aren't annoyed by those fancy digs in NY, while they are living in public housing or older trailer homes out in the real world. I've seen some real poverty here in the last few years, it's sad because it was so unnecessary.

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this weeks video on older ones stepping down

by road to nowhere in

what i caught was how they were baffled by having to be in "the world".

then any and all help came from friends offering money, food, apartments, jobs.

can't anyone see how they people are used up and then discarded?.

Spiral

The other thing that stands out to me about these videos, and some of the depictions in the magazines, is the assumption that there are people in the congregations who have money and time to help elderly people. That disregards the reality of working people today, and of JWs in particular.

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The King of the North has now entered into the 'land of decoration' (the Spiritual Estate of Jehovah's People) - Annual Meeting

by Listener in

the final part of the october, 2018 annual meeting has now been released of jw org tv.the following includes a transcript of mark sanderson's speech for those that don't want to listen to the broadcast.. we have long held that the land of decoration is the "spiritual estate of jehovah's people"... now brothers what can we say about all these events that have taken place (referring to recent events in russia) in such a short period of time?

well, truly, if you're a student of the history of god's organization, you can say these events are unprecedented in our history.

we've never seen a country or a territory with 175,000 witnesses of jehovah go under ban.

Spiral

This kind of mumbo jumbo prophetic interpretation gibberish always made my head hurt. I have such a hard time understanding why anyone falls for it.

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Article: D.C. Attorney general proposes making clergy ‘mandated reporters’ of abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-attorney-general-proposes-making-clergy-mandated-reporters-of-abuse/2019/01/23/2a8f8f72-1f35-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html?utm_term=.1c7f810d688b.

d.c. attorney general proposes making clergy ‘mandated reporters’ of abuse.

by fenit nirappil and.

Spiral

@DellaStreet, I am wondering the same thing. I also think a lot of elders do not understand they can have personal liability. Those who do will try hard not to "see" anything if they think they could be held responsible.

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Anti vaccines

by blisterfeet in

i personally feel that vaccinations are beneficial.

there has been a modern movement that vaccinations are more harmful than beneficial to which i disagree.

what is your stance as an ex jw on vaccinating your children?

Spiral

Everyone is vaccinated in my family. As far as I know, all the JWs I know have vaccinated their children.

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If you had to

by rolliepollie in

if you had to follow one religion, what would it be and why?.

Spiral

I can't think of a reason to ever have to join a church. Happy to be an athiest.

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Something I had never thought about re: the Borg's nonprofit status

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

i am actually looking into the possibility of starting my own nonprofit for ex-jws with specific goals and i've learned more about the process.

i was interviewing someone for the podcast that is familiar with nonprofits and she told me something that i had never considered.

maybe everyone else has but i don't remember seeing anything about it here.

Spiral

I've always thought this was true. Plus, the bOrg probably pretends to governments that the preaching work is an educational work (as in teaching people to read).

When I volunteer at the local museum, they keep track of our volunteer hours and what we are doing during that time.

But most JWs I know have never made this connection.

But I wonder who in the government(s) is responsible to check up on this kind of stuff? Because someone should question it.

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report from vomitville and financials

by jonahstourguide in

i attended a circuit arsesemblancey today.

melbourne, melton arsembley hall.

western suburbs area.. 1. re hearing negative reports in the media about jws.

Spiral

jonahstourguide

Hi all,

I attended a circuit arsesemblancey today. Melbourne, Melton arsembley hall. Western suburbs area.

1. Re hearing negative reports in the media about jws. the classic first excuse offered was, " would you entertain a negative report about your spouse?" You love your spouse so you know it's wrong". "Then we must remember that jehovah is backing his people and if there is anything to correct jehovah will fix it in his own time". "So if stories like these are affecting us here are two scriptures to help us,,, Ps 94:19,,, Phil 4:6,7".

Sooooooo...... if your spouse is a criminal you look the other way, because you love them? And that makes them NOT a criminal? (Or a pedophile, specifically, in some cases.)

Like that's how it really works.

And they've been saying "Jehovah will fix "X" problem in his own time" for decades. Nothing ever gets fixed.

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Question for PIMOS but all welcome

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

so once pimo how do you deal with going to the meetings, ministry, social getotgethers, conventions assemblies?.

for one you know it is all off key,.

two your 2 hours or more so just wasted (not counting the time getting ready,travelling etc).

Spiral

When I still had to go occasionally, I'd be sure to have something I wanted to read downloaded to my tablet. Never did ask for the wifi password, just went prepared to have something to read to try to pass the time.

As for the nosy questions, one brother tried to guilt me and say "we don't see you very often". I replied "Brother, I know you know all about taking care of dementia patients [which he did, but with help], so you know how difficult it can be getting out". He never cornered me again. Win!

@bethelliesalot - interesting observations. The emotionalized (is that a word?) makeover is really a bit ..... creepy, the way they are doing it. And your observation about standing and waiting sounds just right. On the rare occasion I'm at the KH now, I really feel like I'm in a very controlled environment. Perhaps it was always that way, but I sure notice it now. Again, creeps me out.

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All the child abuse lawsuits are just a hiccup in the bigger picture.

by I believe in overlapping in

one of my uncles who has never been a jw is visiting for christmas.

my dad who has stopped being an elder and has stopped going to meetings started explaining to my uncle why he finally left the watchtower religion.

my dad had tried for years to convert my uncle but never succeeded.

Spiral

@Believe, I also think your parents will be okay. I think this is a good line of reasoning being used with your parents, although I think that a) the bOrg won't have the staying power of the Catholic Church (mostly because the shunning thing will bite them back when it comes to numbers; and b) all "old time" religion is losing its hold on humanity anyway.

Interesting thing, though, if your parents really believe that a lot of JWs would commit suicide if the bOrg goes down. I personally think a lot of JWs would be [secretly] relieved if it did. But the GB has brainwashed a lot of people into thinking "there is no where else to go"..... not that you have to "go" anywhere ..... and your parents must still buy into this belief on some level.

I think things will get better with time. Especially if they start reading books like Bart Ehrman's. A real eye opener, even if you don't agree with all his conclusions.