Dan,
You mean I wrote all that shit for noting? Where's my damn voodoo break dancing doll?
Did ya just feel a sharp pain in your butt?
Dave
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Remote Viewing
by funkyderek infollowing on from the anybody else had visions?
thread below ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10144&site=3).
i have offered a prize of 50 american dollars or the equivalent in your currency of choice for whoever can guess (or envision or whatever) the contents of a picture i have chosen.. i will be emailing the picture, in password zip format to [email protected] along with unambiguous details of what qualifies as a correct guess.
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Remote Viewing
by funkyderek infollowing on from the anybody else had visions?
thread below ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10144&site=3).
i have offered a prize of 50 american dollars or the equivalent in your currency of choice for whoever can guess (or envision or whatever) the contents of a picture i have chosen.. i will be emailing the picture, in password zip format to [email protected] along with unambiguous details of what qualifies as a correct guess.
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bboy,
You mention hypnotism as being some kind of psychic phenomena, it is not. Hypnotism is noting more than a controlled state of conscientiousness. Its like a person being in a prolonged day dream that someone else takes control of. Everyone has experienced a tiny fraction of a hypnotic state in their lives. I don't know of anyone that has not pulled up to a stop light and for a few seconds has drifted off into a momentary day dream and then has had some guy late for work honk his horn behind you to wake you up and move you on. This is a slight bit of a trance that puts you in a state of splitting your immediate active conscience and a brief state of sub-conscientious activity. Simply stated, you are in a brief dream state.
Your brain holds memories of everything you have ever seen, smelled, tasted, heard, or touched. In other words every experience you have ever had is stored in your brain. The level of the brains capacity to easily access this information has been confused with the total brain capacity thought to be used. All of your brain is in use and within the last ten years there has been more things revealed about how the brain works then in all of previous scientific history concerning the brain combined. Those who have been considered to be very intelligent just have a more refined ability to access information that is stored in their brain than those who are considered less intelligent who have not continued to develop this ability. There is a lot more to it than that but to go fully into it would take too long, so if any of you brain surgeons want to say I am only partly right and want to expand on my
comment, have at it.Hypnotism is not a psychic ability or phenomenon. It is just the ability to take a person and put them into that day dream state and then control it. It is very similar to a person who sleep walks. Even though they seem to be sound asleep they still have the ability to see where they are walking and go through doors, hallways down stairs and alike. Their conscientiousness is being split, one part that is controlling their sleep walking state and the other is still sound asleep and unaware of their immediate actions. The sleep walker can be
carefully brought back to bed and then can be woken up. If you attempt to wake them up while they are in the middle of the sleep walk they become startled when the finally realize they are not where they thought they were it becomes a frightening experience for them. If you have ever had to put someone back to bed while they are sleep walking you can see how a person can control the sleep walker while they are in this split consciences state. If you have ever experience a person talking in their sleep it is also a very similar state if conscientiousness. You can talk to them have them answer questions and then they go right back to sleep. In the morning you tell them about it and they have no memory of the experience. The only difference between the person guiding the sleep walker and a person who can hypnotize others is the hypnotist can induce the split conscientious state and the person helping the sleep walker can not.A person under hypnosis is in an extremely relaxed state and this allows the person controlling the hypnotic trance to help the individual access the memories in that persons brain and have them remember them and then describe them. There are several different levels of hypnotic states that you can put a person into. Depending on the level of the trance will determine whether the subject will remember anything about the hypnotic experience or not. In a hypnotic state it seems to the subject that no time has passed at all. Not everyone can be hypnotized especially those who refuse to relax or have a preconceived notion that it is all bullshit. Case in point Alan F. Alan and his wife came to visit me a few weeks ago. He had heard that I could hypnotize people and asked me to try it on him. In the process of trying to get him to relax he kept laughing. At that point I just quit, it's like asking someone to relax when you are trying to give them a massage and they keep tightening up. You can not massage a muscle unless the person meets you half way and relaxes himself. Same with hypnosis, if the person is not willing to relax and begin to let his mind drift off to a dream state you can not put them under.
As far as physic phenomenon which is the subject of this thread I keep an open mind. Offering a million dollars to prove it or disprove it is like offering a million dollars to prove the bible and or evolution is true. There is presently a million dollar prize to prove that aliens are real also. But as most people say unless one lands on the white house lawn and shakes the presidents hand on a live CNN broadcast most people won't believe it. As far as hypnotism, it is real but it does not have anything to do with physic powers, demons, spirits, the
boogie men or mysterious powers. It's just the ability to talk to someone while they are sleeping.Dave
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get a life -- 10 facts
by joelbear ini thought it would be interesting for people to just post a few things about themselves so we can get to know each other just a bit.. try posting 10 facts about your life.. joel.
1. i was born and raised in south georgia.. 2. my favorite subject in school was math.. 3. i was in the fulltime service (bethel and pioneer) for 4 years.. 4. my favorite color is blue.. 5. mitch and i have been together over 12 years.. 6. we live in a suburb of atlanta georgia.. 7. we love to eat out and have friends over for dinner and board games.. 8. the only sport i was ever any good at is tennis.. 9. my favorite tv show of all time is the simpsons.. 10. we are both naturists and wish we could lay on the beach naked every day.
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somebody,
You found all that funny? I was dead serious about all of it. My life is not something to laugh about. My life sucks.
I'm like the realization of logical's worst nightmares. Imagine a woman with the intelligence of Fred Hall, the body of Jerie Hall and the fore play "lets make a deal" techniques of Monty Hall, that's what I was married to.It's not funny. I need a drink, no, I need about ten. The hell with that, I need some drugs. where's Slayer!
Dave
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how do i get a divorce when no one has.......
by jazz incommited adultery my wife and i are headed in that direction what should i tell the brothers?
we are doing so because she just doesnt trust me anymore ?
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Fred,
Sorry for making fun of you. I didn't realize that english was a second language for you. You aren't from an english speaking country are you?
It would explain a lot about your posts. Not the complete level of stupidity but at least the grammar and spelling.BTW Fred, I'm not married because I choose not to be, what is your excuse?
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get a life -- 10 facts
by joelbear ini thought it would be interesting for people to just post a few things about themselves so we can get to know each other just a bit.. try posting 10 facts about your life.. joel.
1. i was born and raised in south georgia.. 2. my favorite subject in school was math.. 3. i was in the fulltime service (bethel and pioneer) for 4 years.. 4. my favorite color is blue.. 5. mitch and i have been together over 12 years.. 6. we live in a suburb of atlanta georgia.. 7. we love to eat out and have friends over for dinner and board games.. 8. the only sport i was ever any good at is tennis.. 9. my favorite tv show of all time is the simpsons.. 10. we are both naturists and wish we could lay on the beach naked every day.
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1. I was born in a hospital in California where the second I was born they grabbed me by my little feet, held me upside down, and spanked my tiny wrinkled white butt for no reason at all and then finger printed my aching little feet like a common criminal. After spending a few days getting over that bit of a trauma they ripped me from my mommy's arms strapped my little legs to a cutting board and sliced up my little weenier with an excto knife. Life pretty much went down hill from there.
2. My favorite subject in school was detention. I liked anything that kept me away from my crazy family. We had nine kids in my family and I didn't particularly like any one of them especially during family bible studies. What started out as a bible lesson quickly turned into a reading lesson, lesson in bladder control, lesson in discipline, lesson on not laughing at the one getting disciplined, lesson on specific underlining techniques, lesson on ear cleaning hygiene, lesson on effective butt scratching techniques with a ball point pen, Lesson on making faces at your siblings and not getting caught, lessons on explaining the facial tick that was misunderstood as making a face and getting away with it with a big shit eating grin, lesson on nose picking, lesson on properly hiding the content of nose picking, lesson on reviving dead butt cheeks, and a lesson on love, hate, killing, life, death, fear, sex, evil, good, god, devil, and how to choose the right highlight marker to sniff that contained the highest level of xliene to get semi stoned with.
3. My mom joined the religion when I was 3 and I left it when I was 28. I sinned a lot in the in-between years but never got caught. With nine kids in the family it's easy to get lost in the crowd. Occasionally ratting on a less significant brother or sister also kept the heat off of me and helped me blend into the high pile green shag carpet. A three story turn of the century house helped also in the fact that my brother and I had the tiny rooms on the third floor. An article from the one and only Awake magazine that I ever read had an article on fire safety in your house and at the age of fifteen my step dad installed a fire escape rope from my room to the ground on the side of the house (ya, I know, stupid, wasn't he). Thank you Awake magazine writing staff!
4. I have no favorite color. Being a professional artist I like all colors and have no ill will toward any color. Except that boogery baby poop greenish yellow, I hate that color. It reminds me of the underside of the chair my brother used during our family bible studies.
5. I am single and have been divorced for about 15 years. I have three sons who are all miracles of life. Considering that my JW ex-wife and I only had sex six times when we were married each one of them are here by purely a miracle. The other three times gave birth to a new, car, new house, and her accidentally getting drunk at her sisters wedding. The sex wasn't great after that wedding because she kept snoring. At least I didn't have to ask her for the sixth time in our marriage if it was good for her too.
6. Because of my ex-wife and that union that no man should put asunder I have avoided marrr.....mar.....mmmaaa...mara...going through a weddi......wed........waaa....... hooking up legally. I like being alone and I save a lot of money on not having to go to therapy. I some times miss the naked stuff but I keep a picture of my ex-wife plastered to the door of my liquor cabinet as a constant reminder of not to drink and date. Don't get me wrong, she is a beautiful lady and looks great naked but she used that against me like I was a starving dog and she was a juicy stake being dangled in front of me to make me whine like a puppy and perform any little trick she desired. What she did to me was far beyond basic cruelty to animals.
7. I don't have any pets.
8. I play racquet ball and basket ball when ever I can and I won top athlete in the presidents physical fitness program as a senior in high school. But I couldn't play sports after school for reasons we are all familiar with. I could have been a contender, I could have been somebody. I could have had a shoe named after me instead of a friends stupid cat (long story bad ending).
9. My favorite TV shows are anything on the discovery science or civilization channels. I also like Everyone love's Raymond and Judging Amy. With an 18 year old son in the house the TV is usually on MTV or that stupid X-games station. I like movies but usually only see them once they hit cable. Most of my free time is spent working on my computer at home while a half dozen teen age girls are out in the back yard jumping on my son's trampoline. He got it so he could keep in shape for snow boarding season and I still can't figure out why he lets those girls come over and jump on it all the time. I don't even think any of them snow board. Dumb kid.
10. Sex. I think sex is stupid. Every thing about sex is stupid. Everyone keeps telling me that with the right woman sex is great. Iv had a lot of right women in my life and I still think it's stupid. Just watching people have sex looks stupid. I don't care what anyone says I will always think sex is stupid. Even if women came over to my house in Tigard Oregon right off the 252 exit on Interstate 5 and go down the hill, turn left through the big trees and then take your next right and then another right and came into the big gray house in the middle of the street and tried to force me into having great sex and seeing what great sex was like I'd still think it was stupid. Even if the two Australian ladies that made fun of me last week on a thread
flew up to Oregon on Qantas flight 372 leaving Sydney at 5:10 PM their time and arrives at 6:25 PM my time in Portland at international gate 37D and asked me to be waiting at the gate with flowers and then we could drive to the beach house which only takes two hours from Portland and get there just in time to watch the sunset from the big windows on the top floor and then had several drinks and they tried to get me drunk and take advantage of me while my hands are tied behind me and they had on those G-string leather things they teased me
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how do i get a divorce when no one has.......
by jazz incommited adultery my wife and i are headed in that direction what should i tell the brothers?
we are doing so because she just doesnt trust me anymore ?
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Jazz,
If you take Fred's advice and ask your wife, and I quote: "why she don't you trust anymore" she will think you are on drugs and divorce your ass in a second.
Just a thought
Dave
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depression
by toddy inis it true statistically,j.w's suffer from depression far more than the rest of us?
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ballistic,
As I stated there are many causes for depression and, yes some people are born with a chemical imbalance that causes them a life long battle with it. My younger sister who is also an EXJW is one of those people. She considers medicine like Prosak and Lithium to be for amateur crazy people. Every time I turn around she is on a new and sometimes experimental drug. My JW parents attribute her condition to not being a JW and that is as true as saying the opposite applies. I am not one to blame all of life's problems on the JW's in fact I have been ridiculed in my statements about not all JW's are evil and hide pedophiles among their ranks. I believe that most rank and file JW's knows little about the inter-workings of their leaders and organization. My only problem with the average JW is they choose to close their eyes to anything that may come off negative in relation to their religion. Ignorance is a very hard opponent to try and reason with.
I don't know if I will agree that depression is a sickness similar to cancer but not being an expert I will not argue the point. There are many physical and social contributors to depression but I was only concerned in my post with the social ones related to experiences of JW's and exJW's. Something as simple as an unhealthy diet can contribute to depression. To cover even a small list of contributing factors to depression could fill up the entire server space allotted to this forum. I appreciate you bringing up the point you made and I in no way wanted anyone to read my post and come to your suggested conclusion that all their problems with depression are exclusively a result of being at one time a JW. My point was to mention some related factors and maybe help a few draw their own conclusions on the subject.
Danny bearbutt,
Yes, my man, I have done a lot of soul searching and since I started wearing reading glasses I have gone back to a few of my old books stashed in rotting boxes and began to read them again. Being dyslexic reading is quite a chore for me but I love to come to somewhat of an understanding why things are they way they are why people do some things they do by reading thoughts and philosophies on that subject matter as well as coming to some of my own conclusions by experience and observation. That and the fact that if I do this kind of stuff I can keep my mind off of how the economy is destroying a year and a half's work I have done. When things start to turn to shit soul searching and reading are a lot cheeper then the gold package from my local TV cable provider. I had tried dating as a diversion for my worries but in the last few days I have decided that I would rather have a red hot railroad spike driven through my temporal cortex then to get back into that mess again. So, I write a few posts as a diversion. You married guys are lucky, you have your wives to keep your mind occupied in trying to figure what in the hell your doing wrong.
I agree with you about the JW's fixation with death. It's funny, they have this utopian fairy story they claim to believe but the hoops they need to jump through in order to obtain it are either too high or too small for them to really think they can get through them. They seem to be more concerned about one of their so called brothers and sisters properly jumping through the hoops then they are about themselves. Like you it took me many years to try and balance my right ear with my left and a couple of good swift kicks to my head helped in that balancing act. If only politicians could sit on a nation wide television interview and admit they had screwed up in their actions and thinking and ask people to understand that they have had a few problems in their life people might be a little more accepting of the faults of others. As much as the JW's like to disassociate themselves with politicians they seem to both share the ability to dance around subjects with creatively crafted statements that were coached by other people in an attempt to make them look innocent. Hiding and masking has become a real art form in today's society. Well, I guess it has been through out history but now we are blessed by the news media to share that fact with the whole world. I can't wait to see the JW's get a nice big bite on the ass of their organization when their mask is pealed off and the whites of their lying eyes are exposed. The pedophile issue is one thing and the depression issue is another. One step at a time I guess.
Kat,
Isn't it cool to find out that there are a lot of people that are as screwed up as you are. I could write volumes about similar experiences and feelings among the many exJW's I have either met in person or talked to via the phone or Internet. It's a great feeling to know that you are not crazy and that you do have little weird things about you that are shared by many others. The stormy nights use to get to me also. I would go through a little state of panic as I ran through my head all my latest sins to see if I might not make it through Armageddon that I was sure was coming by the end of the storm. Most of my life I have had a real problem with stormy rain clouds. It's no wonder I was so messed up at one time in my life, I live in Oregon and stormy rain clouds are almost a permeant part of the landscape. The fear of dyeing on a daily basis is a real mind f * *k. Luckily after talking to so many exJW's with similar experience I can laugh about it now. A programed mind is a lot of fun to play with once you figure out what station it is on.
Here are a few of my pet fears that I found out were shared by other exJW's when they were still in the religion:
1. Fear of going too far away from my home.
If I did go on a business trip or vacation, when I got there I knew exactly how many miles it was to get back home, how long it would take and the exact route and alternative mode of transportation to get back with.2. Fear of watching the news on TV.
I rarely watched TV news or read the news paper. Every time I did I tried to relate any bad news to the beginning of Armageddon.3. Police, ambulance, and fire trucks.
If any of my family members were not home after dark and I heard a siren I just knew it involved a family member and I was going to get a knock on the door or a phone call saying they were dead or injured.4. Leaving a nonJW family member after a visit.
I always thought that my latest visit with them was going to be the last time I ever saw them alive.5. Any news what so ever about Russia.
I had to laugh my butt off when the iron curtain came down. I can see the boys in Brooklyn saying "oh shit, now who are we going to call the king of the North and how are we going to convince them their national symbol should be a bear?Well, those a re just a very few of the little fears I lived with. The other boys and girls can tell about theirs and we can all have a good laugh.
Dave
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depression
by toddy inis it true statistically,j.w's suffer from depression far more than the rest of us?
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There are as many causes for depression as there are cures and methods of coping with it. Most forms of depression are a result of a trigger mechanism that results in neurochemical release that alters the positive functioning of the human brain. As an example when a person experiences a state of sudden fear the bodies naturel defenses releasees a flow of adrenaline into the brain that in many cases gives the body above average strength that aids in either a fight or flight response.
Being raised a JW there are many controlled behavior triggers that are placed in the mind to react to various negative stimuli. Constantly hearing that the end of the wicked system of things is right around the corner is a major one of them. If they feel they are not living up to an almost impossible rules and regulations to survive such a catastrophe it keeps their brain on a constant state of natural chemical imbalance that concentrates on the release of chemicals that respond to negative experiences. Every time they hear a bit of negative news such as a looming recession, out break of a war some where on the planet, large natural disaster or even a small bit of negative news such as a drive by shooting or local murder their mind is automatically triggering a controlled response to react in a state of panic. Even though they do not respond in an immediate physical manner the brain still adjusts to a defensive mode because of the controlled mind set that has been virtually hard wired into their brain and it releases the appropriate neurochemical reaction to the negative stimuli. As a JW you poses a salvation trigger (thoughts of surviving into a paradise earth) that should equalize the fear response trigger but in most cases the feeling of not being able to qualify for the salvation level does not stimulate the proper antidotal type chemicals to neutralize the defensive ones. Thus you end up in almost a constant state of depression brought on by an overactive release of defensive brain chemistry.
Now you can begin to understand how those of us that have been raised in the religion but have chose to leave it as an adult can end up suffering from a similar state of depression. The simple fact is our minds at a very young age have been hard wired to associate negative news with death. A simple and definite mental reaction that tells us that someone is going to die as a consequence to a negative occurrence and if we do not do exactly as we are told that "someone" just might indeed be us. There has been countless studies done that prove without a doubt that what your mind has been programed to believe during and up to age 11 is in your mind to stay. Those hard wired thoughts are like application programs of your computer that control what ever input or use of the program that it controls. No matter what you try and do with the application program it will only let you out put what it's programed to allow.
Even though you may think that you no longer believe in the war of Armageddon and the paradise earth to follow your hard wired mind still reacts as if you do. This is why you may experience a slight feeling of depression after hearing a bit of negative news. Your mind automatically releases the defense chemicals it is so use to releasing since childhood and puts you into a state of subconscious panic. Most of the time you will fell depressed without even knowing why. Classic mind conditioning is a very hard thing to change. I have heard so many exJW expressing some alternative source of the "salvation trigger" to replace the one they were programed with as a young JW. For some, its the love of their kids, others have another religion, their jobs, their families, friends, passion for a cause, etc.
A new salvation trigger "can be" essential to over write the programed false salvation trigger that you still have buried deep in your mind. What helps in adjusting this automatic response is realizing you have it in the first place. Once you can identify it for what it is and observe your subconscious reaction to negative input you can then begin to adjust it. Just because you have learned enough to come to the conclusion that the teachings of the JW's are false doesn't mean those hard wired reactions to their trigger responses have changed in your subconscious programing that is still hiding in the corners of your mind. Just ask yourself a question, have you ever felt depressed for no real apparent reason? Next time you do, trace back the events you have either recently experienced or heard about and see if your mind just might have reacted to it in a depressive manner. If it has, you just might be able to start figuring out why you unknowingly get depressed and then begin to change it.
This takes a lot of concentration and developing the ability to observe your reactions to things and question them fully. A simple exercise is when you react to something ask yourself how do you really feel about it, are your feelings a result of who you are and how you feel or are they just a programed reaction that you really haven't put a lot of thought into. This exercise is just the start, there are many others to try so that you can come to an understanding of who you really are and how you really fell about things in your life.
Dave
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shunning apostates children
by jurs ini was aware when i da'd myself that i would be shunned.
what i didn't expect was how my children would be treated by brothers and sisters.
no phone calls or anything.
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It seems to be a common practice among some who embrace christian religious thought especially in relation to the JW sect that children are an extension of their parents in more than genetic make up but also belief and spirit. Once someone has been branded "the enemy" every being seemingly attached to them are automatically associated with them in action and mindset by the thought of being guilty by association. Even though it may sound ridicules I'm sure the family dog of a disfellowshipped person will be positions in the same light and not be allowed to play with the dog of a faithful witness. Since the believer positions themselves in their mind on the opposite side of their definition of evil anyone or anything that is not standing along side of them in their thoughts are considered evil. Thus the grasp of christian philosophy that ensnares the JW mind.
As shown throughout the bible it's god doesn't blink an eyelash at the thought of killing those associated with ones that are considered his enemies, children especially. It is the christian resolve to praise the actions of their god and kill what they do not accept and not accept what is different whether in physical a death or spiritual one. Different levels of christian philosophy share basic belief's but very in some of its many grey areas. The symbolic and the actual are often interpreted in ones particular sect virtually remolding words and thought to fit social or political pressure in a sense to reject common stupidity and accept only the root in which the stupidity branches from. Some even teeter more on the side of basic humanity while still trying to hold onto the christian banner as a symbol of a root belief. It's unfortunate that the bible has never stated an exact cut off point in which a child is accountable for themselves and no longer doomed by the thoughts of their parents. Hate, bias, prejudice, and social identity are a learned trait whereas love is instinctive. I guess in the eyes of the god of the bible love is just never enough. It appears to be that the life of a child that seems to be so important to the christian side in the debate concerning abortion has no meaning to their god after its birth if it is indeed the child of an unbeliever.
This crap never ceases to make me shake my head in disbelief.
Dave
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Hello! We're the Apostates
by bboyneko inwe're the apostates!
we're a special group of colorful, round snuggly little apostates whos job it is to help you understand your own feelings and share them with others.. as you can see, we have special pictures on our tummies, and those pictures tell you the special job each of us loves to do.. .
i'm tenderheartsimon, and it's my job to help people reach out to each other.
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Geeeezuz Slayer get my face off that stupid little yellow bear. Dan, pick someone else for this. I say a few nice things to a couple of people and now I'm a damn Care Bear? I keep getting this "nice guy" reputation and I'll never get a fun date. Daisy's my butt.
Chris you are abusing your photoshop skills way too much. Keep it up and I'm going to have to show you both what a real photoshop master can
accomplish and it won't be pretty. Where did I do with that link to the Barney site..............gotdamnedstupidlittlefuzzyassbearsanyway. You two have way too much time on your hands.
Your pal.
Dave