Thanks for the joke! You got me.
Seriously, I think we all get a brand new file when we get a SS# (that "mark in the forehead") remember?
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Does the FBI have a file on you?
by patio34 indoes the fbi have a file on you?
be prepared for a real surprise at this site... .
an attorney i know gave me this site, i thought you might find it interesting.
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JWs In Same Mess as First Century Christians
by IslandWoman inthe christian greek scriptures are full of "the end will come soon" rhetoric.
they hoped to be reunited with each other after death or to be among those paul spoke of who would in effect escape death altogether by being raised to the heavens at the coming of the lord.. they waited and waited.
they sacrificed much and died horrific deaths.
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Thank you for expressing yourself so well. I am reading a book called "Bloodline of The Holy Grail". (The hidden lineage of Jesus revealed) by Laurence Gardner. Published in 1996.
I've only gotten through the first 20 pages, but it goes into detail about our history here on the earth in a way that I've never seen expressed in writing before. It is discussed in such a reasonable manner, recognizing the Bible as just a history book, and not a good one at that. I never really realized it, but all the countries kept records of their history. It would appear that it is much more accurate than the biblia of books mass religions have used to keep societies under control.
I highly recommend this piece of literature, found under the Religious History section.
Love and Light,
Karen/Sentinel
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Both Nations need a UFO to land right on the border, and just stay there, hovering from one side to the other, with it's lights blinking, and it's high pitched frequency cutting off all communications.
We could watch while both sides used up all of their amunitions and weapons, getting nowhere. When this happens, then the ship opens up and "Gort" comes out (from the movie "When The Earth Stood Still") Picks up both leaders, takes them aboard and then flies off.
After they have had their brains rewired, they are returned. PEACE AT LAST. They can't remember what they were fighting about in the first place!
All the while, the media is catching all the events on film, and will release it this Fall to local theaters.
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Yes, I see it.
The little box with the red X.
~smile~
Karen/Sentinel
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Satan and the First Ammendment
by Siddhashunyata inso , the wtbts boasts that their supreme court victories have greatly assured freedom of religion and freedom of speech for the american people.
sounds like the wt god is a god of free religion and free speech.
now consider the fact that the wtbts denies freedom of religion and freedom of speech within their own organization.
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Yes, excellent post. I had heard the news, but was not surprised. Society is not quite ready to shut down religions.
JW's have always desired all the freedoms and benefits of this society, and yet they will not vote, or take a functional part in any the world's politics. They only care about "their own".
They will go down with the rest of the religions when the time comes.
"The Truth Is Out There"
Karen/Sentinel
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Are we not the meek ones?
by sOOner inseeking the knowledge and preparing ourselves for coming realities and.
living as "one" in unity is not very different from what jw's believe.
i. never could understand how "they" can say only 144,000 will go to the.
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Sweet sOOner,
How could I not respond to such a loving post. Your words rang familiar to me, as we both are now enlightened and have such a different reality to exist in.
We wish our mom could see the beauty of our lives now, but that would truly be a miracle, as she is and always has been a maryr for her JW faith.
These days that we live in now are pulling us toward a remarkable awakening for all. It is my hearts desire that so many in all religions who have lived according to what they thought was their god's dictate, will come to see how they have been manipulated and maneuvered in these directions by a society bent on control. Religion has been the biggest lie in all of mankind's history on this planet. We've been long overdue for a change.
Keep posting. You have come out from a dark place into the light. You have helped me and so many others. We are not only fleshly sisters now, but our souls have been traveling the universe together for a long time.
Love,
Your Carin' Karen
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Is The Bible Really All We Might Think?
by Sentinel ini want carrot cake for my bd (its my favorite)...ok i'll wait til november.. sorry...not to take away from a serious subject.
i often ask my mother..how can you believe everything you read.
not to mention take the childs game of telephone.
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Salud,
Thank you for responding to my post. To answer your question about whether or not my experience as related really happened that way:
Yes, it did, or I would not have said it. You were a very dedicated and serious "Conductor", and obviously were sensitive and knew how to do the task correctly. I can't say that about all the brothers who had such positions. If a brother had an "attitude" about you, then he already had preconceived ideas about you and how he would deal with you.
Although the women usually outnumber the men in congregations, the women are generally regarded in a much, much lower capacity. They must continually submit to the head of the house, the head of the congregation. I often wonder how situations would have worked out, had sisters been allowed more of an input, especially in the df' hearings. But mainstream religions give little authority to women. What they have managed to gain over the years shows some improvement, BUT NOT IN THE JW Org. They are still where they've always been--at the bottom.
Since I was already a very inquisitive and questioning individual, I just didn't like to accept things on face value. I needed some deffinite proof--not just words. They said I lacked faith, well maybe I did. They knew this about me and so really tried to avoid having me express myself in any kind of open forum. This was during the last couple of years that I attended meetings. They had already labeled me.
The incident related involved the PUBLIC Sunday WT study, and so, they were very careful when calling on baptised sisters, that the information related was word for word, or, rather, that nothing at all was "added" to the information. I am by nature an expressive person, and so in giving expression, always liked to put things into my own words and then express a personal extra.
Like many others, you took your work seriously. You were like many, who really endeavored to be loving and kind in ways that mattered. You were no doubt young at the time.
Hope to Hear from you again,
Karen/Sentinel
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Finding out Who you really are
by Sentinel ingood morning everyone,.
i'm very new on here--just "born yesterday", as a matter of fact, but am finding out how wonderful it is to be able to be free to express thoughts and opinions, share ideas, give comfort, and find hope, within "these walls".. i'm going to ask a question, and that is, how long did it take any of you souls out there to find your true self, after leaving jw's?
i was very young when i was first introduced to the studies of jw's.
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StartinOver,
I commend you for the progress you have been able to make.
There are many things that shape us as individuals. Our home invironment, our "cognition" of the world around us during our shaping years.
Whether we lived in a big city or a small town, the generics of location within the world bare a very strong influence as to what happened within the "congregations".
Although I lived in a smaller community at the time of my initial experiences with the JW org, I was privy to attend large conventions in NY. I also visited friends in Baltimore, Washington, and VA area. Yes, there is a vast difference as to how everything is handled. The meetings are straight forward, as dictated by guidlines from the org, but when it would come to handling problems within the congregation, some were v e r y linient and understanding, others were cruel and harsh. In some congregations, teens were roped in and quartered like dangerous animals. In other places, they had fun things to do as groups and were the center of activity--they were accepted and respected in their own right of passage. It wasn't that way in my old congregation...
I've never been to CA, yet, but will probably get an opportunity to go there in the next couple of years as my brother and his family are relocating there. Considering the we have the Michael Jackson family out there, as well as other celebrities, who are in and out, etc., you can only imagine what differences exist in those congregations!
It is always good to try to get a well rounded perspective--and then of course, STILL GET OUT!
Have a Great Day!
Karen/Sentinel
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Surviving the Hearing to DF Me.
by Sentinel ini must say that reading all these posts have really brought back so many memories for me.
i had a terrible experience at my hearing, which i believe now, really bordered on sexual abuse of the mental kind.. our congregation was small.
this was difficult for the few young people that attended.
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Patio34,
There was just no way that I would every allow any of them to set foot inside my house once I'd made my decision to permanent cut all ties.
That's why, when I finally answered the door to those four elders, I shut the door behind me--leaving my poor husband frantic behind the curtains--, and escorted them to the end of our long front porch.
Having made my decision, I knew there was absolutely nothing in the world they could do or say to sway me in the least. I didn't cry or break down, and perhaps that's because they handled it fairly well. They didn't try to quote scripture to me or pray for me. It was different than I'd expected. I hadn't done anything to be df'd for, but even if they'd come to do that, I was feeling very strong that day.
To invite them into my home, would be like a form of "submission", and I couldn't do it. I didn't even have to think about it. They were out of my life, out of my heart, and lucky to be on my porch.
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I was so sad to hear about GiantJason's wife dealing with being df'd RIGHT IN HER OWN LIVING ROOM. What a horrible experience that must have been.
Thank goodness we are moving towards true light and understanding.
Karen/Sentinel
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JW's Are People Just Like You and Me
by Sentinel inhello all my new friends here,.
when i disassociated myself back in 1981, there were only just a couple instances afterwards, where the jdubs came to my door in the service of their ministry.
during those times, i would never ever answer the door.
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Sweatpea,
Thank you for your kind thoughts.
I too, grew up in a small town, where there was only one KH. They actually used an old Church building, if you can believe that! They eventually "got" that property, as the owners died and were JW's and left the building to the society. They rebuilt right on that "heathen" spot. (~~grinning~~)After they began to grow, and not being able to afford to build elsewhere, they split the congregation and we were assigned different times to attend.
Like you, I expected JW's to come by and do their "sheep-herding" calls,but they truly neglected me, and by the time they decided to make a call, I had finally cut the ties permanently and forever. I destroyed all my library of books, magazines, etc. I kept only one NWT Bible, which my father had given me at a point when he was trying to find his own way.
I remember that day so vividly, as I was totally NOT expecting the knock at the door to be them. My husband told me not to open the door, but I did it anyway. I was ready to face them, even if they were there to tell me I was df'd again. But I would not let them in the house, and let all four of them stand on the porch and say what they had to say.
I was actually very surprised, as they were kinder to me than ever before. It was the same group that had df'd me back in 1960, minus the brother who had been df'd himself. (That's in another one of my posts.) Anyway, they apologized for the way things had gone for me. They asked if there was anything they could do that would sway me. They even tried to get me to blame everything on my mother, which I wouldn't do. I told them that my decision was my own, made after years of living a lie. I told them that because of how I'd been taught and the severity of the discipline, that I could not get my Bible out and read it without trembling and crying, and so I had packed it away.
They told me that I was valued as a person and that they wished I would reconsider. They said that I was still considered in good standing (how odd, since my mother had cut me off and told everyone that I was an apostate. None of my friends would have anything to do with me.) And, the last thing they said was that I would always be welcomed back anytime I wanted to return.
After that, I didn't see them at my door for probably another four years. When I came to Virginia, I felt that my mother had "sent them my address" and told them to come by, because they seemed to be at our door nearly every weekend. I never answered the door, nor spoke to any of them until just recently, about a month ago--(in another one of my posts.)
You know of course, that they keep records of EVERYONE that has ever been involved with them to the point of baptism. That is why I sent a letter to disassociate myself right straight to the NY headquarters. They never even bothered to replied.
I hope to see more posts from you. You are sensitive and loving. The road is sometimes very difficult, but you will find your way. Just remember that "the truth is out there". It really is...
Love and LIght,
Karen/Sentinel