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  Broadband internet what does it cost you?

  by haujobbz in

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  hello chums!!!

  i recently subscribed for broadband internet 512kbsec which "b.t" provides at 29.99 ( roughly about 50 dollars a month) is that expensive for the uk i think it is,what i want to know is which of you have broadband internet and how much does it cost monthly for your country mmmm im wondering if yours is cheaper.

  " later"

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  seawolf

  $50 a month for dsl here.
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  U.S. War with Iraq

  by Crazy151drinker in

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  i just wanted to get some opinions on this matter from everyone.

  support here in the states is pretty solid but very weak in europe.

  i will make my prediction (ie you know) that we will be having a little sand party within a year.

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  Xander, thanks for spending the time to research what you wrote. BTW this is an interesting conversation we're having here. Wonder if anyone else knows it's going on.

  I'm not really familiar with some the stuff on the plutonium bit other than what was at the BBC, etc so I dunno.

  Now about it being highly radioactive. What I said in my original post was paraphrased from the linked article on that page. I agree that it is slightly radioactive and like you are saying it is NOT highly radioactive. I think I understand that more-or-less what you are talking about is about the radioactive part? All the previous posts I did with the links were my attempt to show that A LOT of people are getting sick and this is what I thought you were questioning but now that I re-read what you wrote and my original post I think I am understanding your point a bit better? Also, the article's author's definition of "highly" is anyone's guess.

  What it seems like what the articles are talking about (and correct me if I'm wrong) is internal exposure.

  Prominent scientists also worked to calm the uproar. Dr. John Boice, of the International Epidemiology Institute, told the New York Times, "To get leukemia you need to get the radiation to the bone marrow. The radiation does not go to the marrow. And Uranium 238 will not get to the bone marrow. I don't think it causes leukemia at all."(8) U.S. physicist Steve Fetter told the Times that uranium did not penetrate to bone and bone marrow where leukemia originates.

  This slick obfuscation refers to external DU exposure and ignores the hazard from DU ingestion or inhalation. Jean Francois Lacronique, director of France's National Radiation Protection Agency, flatly contradicted NATO, saying, "U-238 has been found stored in bone, and if it gets into bone, it can reach the bone marrow."(9)

  Dr. Frank von Hipple, author of a December 1999 Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists article on DU, told me, "Yes, it does get to the bone. We looked at that in our study." And the December 2000 Science for Democratic Action -- from the Institute for Environmental and Energy Research (IEER) -- reports that, "Some [DU] particles remain in the body where they can build up in lung [tissue], or enter the blood stream where it can accumulate in bone tissue." Internal exposure, the IEER article says, "increases the risk of leukemia and lung, bone and soft tissue cancers, particularly when inhaled or ingested."

  and it's making ppl sick. I guess this sums it up:

  "It's true that DU is not very radioactive. But when you inhale it, it does go to the lymph nodes surrounding the lungs, and that means it could irradiate all the blood cells which pass through the nodes.

  "Many experts say DU is more of a chemical threat than a radioactive one, and I think the chemical toxicity is an issue. The uranium atoms are chemically toxic, and they will visit every cell in the body where they may have an effect.

  "And it would not be hard to absorb a serious dose of DU quite quickly. When it vaporises, it forms a very fine powder which can blow a long way.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1114246.stm

  The problem with it being very toxit and not breathing it is people over where this stuff (stuff=DU) is being used don't have a choice. They're all being exposed to it and it's causing skyrocketing birth defects and things of the like.............

  Not all depleted uranium is used in weapons. In fact, most ISN'T.

  agreed. But still, 270 tonnes of it have been fired during the wars in the Gulf and the Balkans.

  IOW, as I mentioned above, the *radiation* hazards are not significant. This is obvious as few, if ANY sufferers of 'Gulf War Syndrome' show symptoms of radiation poisoning.

  agreed. But like I said I wasn't trying to say that they were dying from radiation, although I admit my first post with the "highly radioactive" statement made it seem that way and made the post take on an 'air' of which I wasn't intending. I see that now. They're dying--for whatever reasons--from the DU that is being used. Whether the soldiers were in the Gulf or Balkans, whether the children were born from Americans or Iraqis in the Gulf, etc they're showing the same things at around the same time... something is going on. The EU even banned DU last year http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1121384.stm

  To reply to an earlier post of yours that was a reply to my post, I agree, why not assasinate him instead of blasting their way in like it's some Dirty Harry movie. The legalities of it all concern me. Then again, the US isn't in the world court. *shrug*

  So we assasinate him, Saddam's son takes over, we have bigger mess on our hands. *shrug* It's all a big mess. I think I'll join Ted Williams in the frig. Wake me up when it's all over.

  Edit: TYPOS

  3rd edit: took out the tongue-in-cheek comment about loving FredHall since I just saw his lastest thread.

  Edited by - seawolf on 10 August 2002 19:54:45

  Edited by - seawolf on 10 August 2002 19:56:6

  Edited by - seawolf on 10 August 2002 20:24:11
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  U.S. War with Iraq

  by Crazy151drinker in

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  i just wanted to get some opinions on this matter from everyone.

  support here in the states is pretty solid but very weak in europe.

  i will make my prediction (ie you know) that we will be having a little sand party within a year.

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  I was just going to embed this and not paste any quotes but IE has locked up 5 times trying to do this so I give up. First time IE6 has ever given me a problem hmph. Anyway.....

  Deception over health risks of depleted uranium

  How can one explain that children of Gulf War veterans suffer the same birth defects as Iraqi children born in zones contaminated by DU? That the same symptoms - fatigue, depression, respiratory and kidney problems and in many cases leukaemia - affect civilians and soldiers exposed to DU in both the Gulf and the Balkans? And if DU is harmless, why is Kuwait paying private companies millions of dollars to decontaminate its battlefields? Who will pay to decontaminate Iraq, Bosnia and Kosovo?

  The book and a television documentary by the same journalists show the US government was at best grossly negligent and deceitful towards US nuclear workers, soldiers and the civilians of Iraq and former Yugoslavia. At worst - as stated by Paul Sullivan, the head of the National Gulf War Resource Centre - the US is guilty of knowingly contaminating parts of the Gulf and former Yugoslavia for the next 4.5 billion years.

  In other words, the hundreds of tonnes of DU fired in the Gulf and in the Balkans were not so "depleted" after all.

  http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/opinion/2001/0201/opt3.htm
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  U.S. War with Iraq

  by Crazy151drinker in

  1. jw
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  i just wanted to get some opinions on this matter from everyone.

  support here in the states is pretty solid but very weak in europe.

  i will make my prediction (ie you know) that we will be having a little sand party within a year.

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  Plutonium contamination raises stakes

  In Europe, a wildfire of publicity was lit anew by the United States official admission that its DU contains plutonium and other reactor-borne fission products far more radioactive and carcinogenic than uranium-238.

  The discovery of uranium-236 contamination in spent munitions used against Kosovo revealed that the DU was not obtained before the nuclear reaction process. The Pentagon, NATO and the British Ministry of Defense have always downplayed the danger of DU saying it was "less radioactive than uranium ore." But at least half of the DU (250,000 metric tons) is now known to have been left over from the reprocessing of irradiated reactor fuel (done to extract weapons-grade plutonium), leaving it salted with fission products.(18)

  "If it has been through a reactor, it does change our idea on depleted uranium," says Dr. Michael Repacholi of the World Health Organization, which has demanded to know how much plutonium is in DU ammunition. The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) is still working on an answer to that question.

  As early as January 2000, the DOE admitted that its DU munitions are spiked with plutonium, neptunium and americium "transuranic" (heavier than uranium) fission wastes from inside nuclear reactors.(19) The health consequences here are fearsome: americium -- with a half-life of 7,300 years -- decays to plutonium-239, which is more radioactive than the original americium.

  DU "contains a trace amount of plutonium," said the DOEs Assistant Secretary David Michaels, who wrote to the Military Toxics Project's Tara Thornton January 20, 2000. "Recycled uranium, which came straight from one of our production sites, e.g. Hanford [Reservation, in Richland, Washington], would routinely contain transuranics at a very low level...." Michaels wrote. "We have initiated a project to characterize the level of transuranics in the various depleted uranium inventories," he said.

  Dr. Von Hippel says in The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists that plutonium-239 is 200,000 times more radioactive than U-238. Plutonium "is probably the most carcinogenic substance known," according to Dr. Arjun Makhijani, President of IEER, writing in his 1992 book Plutonium.

  http://commondreams.org/views02/0709-07.htm
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  U.S. War with Iraq

  by Crazy151drinker in

  1. jw
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  i just wanted to get some opinions on this matter from everyone.

  support here in the states is pretty solid but very weak in europe.

  i will make my prediction (ie you know) that we will be having a little sand party within a year.

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  Also, it appears they're sticking 'other' stuff in there besides U238.

  UN finds Kosovo nuclear danger

  Officials of the UN environment programme said tests on material gathered by its team of experts in Kosovo had revealed traces of uranium 236 - an isotope found only in spent nuclear fuel - among weapons delivered by Nato aircraft in the 1999 conflict.

  The latest DU discovery, which follows the investigation of eight of the 112 sites in Kosovo by a team of UN scientists last November, is likely to prompt questions about what other dangerous radioactive materials may have been contained in the US shells.

  It seems like no one knows exactly what is in these DU things. That's what scares me.

  Edited by - seawolf on 10 August 2002 17:15:10
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  U.S. War with Iraq

  by Crazy151drinker in

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  i just wanted to get some opinions on this matter from everyone.

  support here in the states is pretty solid but very weak in europe.

  i will make my prediction (ie you know) that we will be having a little sand party within a year.

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  seawolf

  'Gulf War Syndrome' had been attributed to Iraqi chemical weapons - apparently, at least 2 scuds and numerous chemical artillery rounds were fired at allied forces. Both scuds were intercepted, but, then, with chemical weapons...blowing up the missile doesn't really help if it's already ballistic.

  Actually, I've seen three different types of 'Gulf War Syndrome' talked about. One was what you mention ^^^. The effects of immunizations on US and British troops is another. The other was DU.

  If it was, don't you think the ground forces handling the rounds since the early 80s (when they were introduced) would have been effected as well?

  yes. some quotes from more CBC articles:

  On Thursday, the Netherlands became the latest country to begin an investigation after two soldiers one formerly based in Kosovo and the other in Bosnia died of leukemia.

  At least 12 soldiers, including four French and six Italian servicemen, have died of leukemia which some say may be related to NATO's use of ammunition containing depleted uranium. Spain, Portugal, Turkey and Finland are all screening their Balkans veterans.

  "The issue has taken a serious turn and the alarm caused is more than legitimate," Italian Premier Giuliano Amato said in a newspaper interview.

  NATO's force in Bosnia, SFOR, acknowledged using depleted uranium ammunition there in late 1994 and 1995, but denied that it was making soldiers sick.

  from here: http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2001/01/04/balkans010104

  Terry Riordon asked his wife to have his body tested for any mysterious ailments after he died. Tissues from his kidney, liver, brain and bones underwent intricate testing.

  CBC News released the results Monday morning which found evidence of depleted uranium still in his body nine years after the war ended.

  "We found in the bone tissue, particularly cancerous bone, that it contained depleted uranium," he said.

  Durakovic believes when missiles exploded, radioactive dust was breathed in by veterans. He says Riordon's tests show those radioactive particles never left the body.

  from here: http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2000/02/07/gulfvet000207

  Interesting link you provided. I read it but I have one concern with it. My concern is that the military wants to protect their butts and deny there's a problem for the same (?) reasons that WTBTS wants to deny there's a pedophile problem: they don't want to get sued and have to pay extremely large amounts of money for healthcare and compensation.

  Actually when I talked about doing the google search I wasn't referring to anything to do with Americans, British....etc. I was specifically referring to the Iraqis. I first got interested in this when someone on a forum--I think it was the [H]ardforum--brought it up and provided a link. I was stunned. I went to yahoo and put in some words and that link was the first one that came up. It's too bad for here and should probably be in the adult form so I won't post the link. Here's a tame BBC link that touches upon the iraqi birth defects and why some feel that the governments don't want to pay:

  The Ministry of Defence still maintains that there is no evidence that DU poses a significant risk to the veterans themselves.
  And it says that while it cannot guarantee that DU will not produce birth defects in their children, the evidence suggests there is no massive effect. Kenny Duncan has a jaundiced view of the ministry. "They're sitting around watching veterans die", he says.
  "They're waiting for us to die off, so they don't need to pay out money. They'll just tell us nothing and deny everything.
  "They don't care about the veterans' health, even though some from the Balkans are starting to get ill. And still they say it's not an issue."

  from here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1122566.stm

  A few quotes:
  Soldiers who inhale or swallow high levels of depleted uranium (DU) on the battlefield could suffer kidney failure within days, according to a new report from the one of the UK's premier scientific bodies, the Royal Society. There are also long term risks for children who play in heavily contaminated areas, it says.
  DU shells in the ground could contaminate the soil, food and water of communities that return to live on the battlefields, the report says. This may be enough to harm local children, particularly if they swallow soil.

  http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992024

  "During the Gulf war, Britain and the United States pounded the city and its surroundings with 96,000 depleted-uranium shells. ...Depleted uranium has an incubation period in humans of five years. In the four years from 1991 (the end of the Gulf war) until 1994, the Basrah Maternity Hospital saw 11 congenital anomalies. Last year there were 221.
  
  Then there is the alarming increase in cases of leukaemia among Basrah babies lucky enough to have been born with the full complement of limbs and features in the right place. The hospital treated 15 children with leukaemia in 1993. In 2000 it was 60. By the end of this year that figure again will be topped. And so it will go on. Forever. (Depleted uranium has a half-life of 4.1 billion years. Total disintegration occurs after 25 billion years, the age of the earth.)

  http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=107715

  The inhabitants of a Caribbean island which the US navy has used for 60 years as a bombing range, including firing depleted uranium shells, are seeking $100m (68m) in damages for an abnormally high cancer rate.

  http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4130731,00.html

  and it goes on and on and on......
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  How Many Here Have Been Shunned?

  by Reborn2002 in

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  as most of you already know, the jehovah's witnesses are covering an article in their august kingdom ministry to be discussed the weeks of 8/19 and 8/26 which details how they are to shun and avoid those who are no longer members of their organization, even immediate family members.. .

  undoubtedly this article has been written to reinforce to the rank&file jehovah's witnesses the shunning policy, so as to tighten the ranks and prevent members from having the opportunity to learn the abundant contradictions and hypocrisies found within watchtower doctrine and practice from any who may have left.. this policy also serves to divide families and attempt to shame or abuse those whom have chosen to no longer be jehovah's witnesses, for whatever reason.. that much is obvious.

  in recent days this topic has been discussed in detail in various threads.

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  I was never baptized and thus was never df'ed. But as far as I'm concerned the way most of them have treated me I have felt like I was shunned my entire life. So I guess the answer is yes...and no...depending on whether or not you have to be df'ed to be shunned.
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  U.S. War with Iraq

  by Crazy151drinker in

  1. jw
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  i just wanted to get some opinions on this matter from everyone.

  support here in the states is pretty solid but very weak in europe.

  i will make my prediction (ie you know) that we will be having a little sand party within a year.

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  seawolf

  But, I'd rather see a deathmatch in a small Quake 3 arena, broadcast across the planet. The loser is shipped off to a small island full of JWs ....

  hehe and when GB 2.0 rail guns Saddam the word "Impressive" echoes around the world.
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  U.S. War with Iraq

  by Crazy151drinker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just wanted to get some opinions on this matter from everyone.

  support here in the states is pretty solid but very weak in europe.

  i will make my prediction (ie you know) that we will be having a little sand party within a year.

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  seawolf

  Another reason why I'm against this is the issue of Depleted Uranium (DU)

  DU is made from leftover U238, which is one of three types of uranium (U234, U235, U238). It is highly radioactive and has a half-life of 4.2 billion years. The military uses DU inside of different weapons because it is very dense and makes the shells penetrate deeper, etc.

  A 120mm tank round contains 10 pounds of DU (4000 grams). In the Gulf War the US fired almost a million DU rounds and left 1,400 wrecked radioactive Iraqi tanks.

  There was a whole CBC show on it and here are some quotes from the CBC report:

  Rostker himself reported in 1998 that American soldiers in their thousands had been unnecessarily exposed to DU; this seven years after the end of the Gulf War, when it was first used.

  The number of Gulf War vets who were in contact with radioactive tanks or breathed in contaminated dust could be in the tens of thousands. Yet so far, only a fraction -- about 200 vets, like Jerry Wheat -- are being monitored. The Pentagon still insists there is not enough evidence to link exposure with illness.

  The US knew of this during the Gulf War: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/du/doc1.html

  Now this crap is littering Afghanistan and Kosovo. Who is going to pay for all this cleanup? Aren't these people going to be a little mad when they find out we are darn near making their country glow in the dark? Do a google search and you can find links to pages showing all the odd deaths and birth defects, etc that people/babies in Iraq have been suffering since the end of the Gulf War.

  Also, there is A LOT of information on it at the BBC. A few quotes:

  Both the US and the UK acknowledge that the dust can be dangerous if it is inhaled, though they say the danger is short-lived, localised, and much more likely to lead to chemical poisoning than to irradiation.

  Many veterans from the Gulf and Kosovan wars, though, believe that DU has made them seriously ill.

  Doug Rokke, a former US army colonel who served in Vietnam, was sent to the Gulf in 1991 to advise on cleaning up radioactive debris.

  He says almost every member of the team of 30 experts he took with him is now seriously ill, and three have died of lung cancer.

  Others say they have children born with defects.

  I could post VOLUMES of information on this stuff. I worry about the effects of this on Americans as well as Iraqis.

  sea

  http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/du/index.html

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/europe/2001/depleted_uranium/default.stm
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  I brought up the pedophile problem . . .

  by seawolf in

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  .and got shotdown.

  no it's all on record.

  on the dateline program they showed official watchtower documents that showed the dude in nevada had been accused by 17 girls in congregations around the country of being molested by him.

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  Thanks for all the comments

  I fully agree with everything that's been said. Not much that I can add to it other than to say that this would have really bothered me before. I've chilled out now and don't take things personally.

  sorry to not be able to add much more to this...dunno why but my mind is totally blank. oh well