Posts by waton

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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?

by Disillusioned JW in

sometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?

' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?

' what do you folks say?.

waton

inattentive of what religion says.

Ddjw. at their meetings the wt ladies have already achieved that, having most of the microphone time, in defiance of the "lords command" in I Cor. 14. "silent in the congregations of the hole ones"

If the Iranian revolution spreads to Iraq, the location of Babylon, and then beyond, that would be the fall of male dominated and centered religion.

Even "Jehavah" beeing able to become whatever whover he wants could comply, becoming a parent, more humane.

I always balked at the wt's 'man's face' being the picture of love, to me it is my beautiful ladie's faces.

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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?

by Disillusioned JW in

sometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?

' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?

' what do you folks say?.

When you are hit with excruciating pain of a possible end of life situation, what does wt offer? that you are in a possible replay of the Job saga.? The science outlook: Nature taking its course, the invaders are finally winning, recycling has started.

in both cases, small comfort. reach for the morphine. provided by:

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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

by Sea Breeze in

a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

waton

dawn of time?

time has no dawn. there always was time. just not our universes' spacetime.

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Avoiding Temptation As a Young Elder

by TMS in

it was the summer of '72.

i was 24 but had been the presiding overseer or congregation servant of a small congregation in the county seat of an arkansas county for about 3 years.. my regular pioneer wife of nearly four years was big and pregnant, with our attempts at birth control unsuccessful.. one of my wife's several bible studies was with a young woman named brenda whom my wife had encountered in door to door work.. brenda had two young children she could barely handle and was married to a very countryfied arkie named henry who worked as a chicken catcher, one of the most difficult jobs at the local chicken plant.. brenda eventually revealed that she'd been raised as a jw, but was never baptized, having left home to marry henry at age 14. she spoke of her family in texas, mentioning her mother and two older sisters, all jws she said.. one morning, just before the meeting for field service, we noticed a small car in kingdom hall parking lot.

my wife and i were parked to one side of the hall in our aluminum nashua house trailer.. two young women got out of the car and soon joined us for the meeting for service, identifying themselves as brenda's sisters from texas.. the two girls, ages 17 and 20, were distractingly beautiful, with the eldest decked out like a magnificent southern belle including hat and heels, her high-end clothing accentuating her very obvious curves.. with no one else showing up for field service, it ended up just the four of us in the car group with the two texas girls in the back seat.. starting our time at a not-at-home, the 20 year old asked if she could accompany me to "hear my presentation.

waton

There is definitely a sexual component to the wt religion. females will have skewed preferences based on status in the hierarchy (hormones at work). good news for otherwise beta to omega males.

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Why are so many Jehovah’s Witnesses Angry and Rude?

by Vanderhoven7 in

why do you think many jws are hostile and rude?

or is that just my imagination?.

mark jones writes: the vast majority of jehovah’s witnesses are nice people.

waton

some jws realize that the sheep are supposed to be meek and put up and shut up, victims will be blamed by the wt writers, hounders, so these jw non-christians think they can get away with being rude, even exploitive, and enjoy that freedom to the hilt.

you are also not supposed to sue your brother or sister, so that perceived immunity extends into the court system, the police in case of serious wrongdoing done to the docile.

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Romans 10:9, 13 Identifying Jesus as Jehovah?

by Daniel Michaels in

the use of the divine name in the nwtcgs

romans 10:9, 13

identifying jesus as jehovah

waton

"making known the name" does not mean plastering it all over the landscape, and using it at as an adjective, rather , since Jesus never used the name, but "Father", even "Eli" instead, it must mean explaining, making manifest, all what the name stands for.

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Are you driven by vengeance or Payback?

by Fisherman in

“there is nothing more ironic and curious than a trapper being caught in his own trap or a plot backfiring.

ironic justice is the best revenge.” the inventor of the brazen bull, one if the most heinous torture devices in history was tricked to go inside of it and died of the torture he created.. probably one of the greatest movies ever made features revenge as its theme: once upon a time in the west.

sadly in this movie the main character doesn’t rely on ironic justice happening by god or chance.

waton

I am driven by evidence based hope, pleasure and work. karma will come automatically. is already happening.

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Is the WT right that the Lamb's marriage is after Armageddon?

by Kosonen in

the wt org claims that the lamb's marriage will happen after armageddon, despite the fact that revelation 19 very clearly says that the lamb's marriage happens after the destruction of babylon the great.

and that after the lamb's marriage he with heavenly armies will go to destroy the wicked.. the wt claims that the order of events in revelation 19 is not really in that order referring to psalm 45. but i can't find in psalm 45 any explicit contradiction to revelation 19. .

paragraph 10 in the following article shows the wt org's view point:.

waton

Kosonen:

wt believes in a second fulfillment of Math 24, 25.

Jesus said that the generation would only pass away after the end, aka armageddon. so: according to that angle, the marriage can only happen with the full bride up there. during the cleanup here on Earth. but ' wt also says, that

the generation of anointed dies and goes to heaven before The GT gets serious, Babylon tG is attacked, so they could get married anytime after. If the great crowd are the brides maids, that can only happen after Ar ma geddon, because wt teaches that the GC, comes out of the GT, which has not happened yet, so the Great Crows does not officially exist yet. their fudging that notwithstanding.

For these 2 reasons, wt has to conclude that the wedding is later rather then hurried.

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Is the WT right that the Lamb's marriage is after Armageddon?

by Kosonen in

the wt org claims that the lamb's marriage will happen after armageddon, despite the fact that revelation 19 very clearly says that the lamb's marriage happens after the destruction of babylon the great.

and that after the lamb's marriage he with heavenly armies will go to destroy the wicked.. the wt claims that the order of events in revelation 19 is not really in that order referring to psalm 45. but i can't find in psalm 45 any explicit contradiction to revelation 19. .

paragraph 10 in the following article shows the wt org's view point:.

waton

is there is any benefit for any humans to know such a detail, other than satisfying some curiosity?

Disillusioned JW: Of course we do not know, , but it is beneficial to rub these details and their ramifications in on those still hanging on to the illusion of wt being relevant.

so imagine a bride going into battle with her fiancee, or marrying before the combat starts. or even leaving all the fighting to the lesser angels, and marry when the melee is over, all in various wt or scriptural teachings. now:

if only there really were talking snakes & asses.

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Is doomsday coming as the Bible predicts or will nothing happen eventually?

by Fisherman in

the bible predicts that at some point, the god of the bible will take action.

this is very convincing when reading bible prophecy and history to back up prophecy as represented in the bible.

—exactly when god acts is another subject..

waton

famine, disease, war in connection with the white horses’s rider?

Fisherman, some of the bible was written by astute observers, war, famine, disease have always had a close connection. still do *. Witness the conflicts since 1914. Fighting in Ukraine causes food shortages in Africa. world wide horsing around. As the planet gets more crowded, conflicts will become more frequent, we might even see more "civil" wars.

Hopefully history will repeat itself and the fighters (the dinosaurs) armed to the teeth, will be wiped out, the squirrels, that had stuff squirrelled away, will inherit the Earth . so,

be realistic and squirrel away treasures in heaven, Musk has it wrong, he is aiming only for Mars. ha ha.

* fertile plains become trenches, churned up battlefields, workers become soldiers, rapists spread their germs ----,