Posts by waton

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Is the WT right that the Lamb's marriage is after Armageddon?

by Kosonen in

the wt org claims that the lamb's marriage will happen after armageddon, despite the fact that revelation 19 very clearly says that the lamb's marriage happens after the destruction of babylon the great.

and that after the lamb's marriage he with heavenly armies will go to destroy the wicked.. the wt claims that the order of events in revelation 19 is not really in that order referring to psalm 45. but i can't find in psalm 45 any explicit contradiction to revelation 19. .

paragraph 10 in the following article shows the wt org's view point:.

waton

Kosonen:

wt believes in a second fulfillment of Math 24, 25.

Jesus said that the generation would only pass away after the end, aka armageddon. so: according to that angle, the marriage can only happen with the full bride up there. during the cleanup here on Earth. but ' wt also says, that

the generation of anointed dies and goes to heaven before The GT gets serious, Babylon tG is attacked, so they could get married anytime after. If the great crowd are the brides maids, that can only happen after Ar ma geddon, because wt teaches that the GC, comes out of the GT, which has not happened yet, so the Great Crows does not officially exist yet. their fudging that notwithstanding.

For these 2 reasons, wt has to conclude that the wedding is later rather then hurried.

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Is the WT right that the Lamb's marriage is after Armageddon?

by Kosonen in

the wt org claims that the lamb's marriage will happen after armageddon, despite the fact that revelation 19 very clearly says that the lamb's marriage happens after the destruction of babylon the great.

and that after the lamb's marriage he with heavenly armies will go to destroy the wicked.. the wt claims that the order of events in revelation 19 is not really in that order referring to psalm 45. but i can't find in psalm 45 any explicit contradiction to revelation 19. .

paragraph 10 in the following article shows the wt org's view point:.

waton

is there is any benefit for any humans to know such a detail, other than satisfying some curiosity?

Disillusioned JW: Of course we do not know, , but it is beneficial to rub these details and their ramifications in on those still hanging on to the illusion of wt being relevant.

so imagine a bride going into battle with her fiancee, or marrying before the combat starts. or even leaving all the fighting to the lesser angels, and marry when the melee is over, all in various wt or scriptural teachings. now:

if only there really were talking snakes & asses.

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Is doomsday coming as the Bible predicts or will nothing happen eventually?

by Fisherman in

the bible predicts that at some point, the god of the bible will take action.

this is very convincing when reading bible prophecy and history to back up prophecy as represented in the bible.

—exactly when god acts is another subject..

waton

famine, disease, war in connection with the white horses’s rider?

Fisherman, some of the bible was written by astute observers, war, famine, disease have always had a close connection. still do *. Witness the conflicts since 1914. Fighting in Ukraine causes food shortages in Africa. world wide horsing around. As the planet gets more crowded, conflicts will become more frequent, we might even see more "civil" wars.

Hopefully history will repeat itself and the fighters (the dinosaurs) armed to the teeth, will be wiped out, the squirrels, that had stuff squirrelled away, will inherit the Earth . so,

be realistic and squirrel away treasures in heaven, Musk has it wrong, he is aiming only for Mars. ha ha.

* fertile plains become trenches, churned up battlefields, workers become soldiers, rapists spread their germs ----,

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Is the WT right that the Lamb's marriage is after Armageddon?

by Kosonen in

the wt org claims that the lamb's marriage will happen after armageddon, despite the fact that revelation 19 very clearly says that the lamb's marriage happens after the destruction of babylon the great.

and that after the lamb's marriage he with heavenly armies will go to destroy the wicked.. the wt claims that the order of events in revelation 19 is not really in that order referring to psalm 45. but i can't find in psalm 45 any explicit contradiction to revelation 19. .

paragraph 10 in the following article shows the wt org's view point:.

waton

According to wt writers, the "bride" has been arriving in her heavenly quarters since 1918. Some after a long "sleep" (latest wt doctrine has it that most will be on hold in the hotel for up to 160 years) .

Others going instantly from being part of the F&D Slave class ( now just partakers) to immortal fiancees in waiting.

Wt now has that 'extended 1918 resurrection event' finishing at the start of the great tribulation, by then, all partakers will be gone upward, becoming immortal.

Will this truly invincible army of 144 001 warriors be married or not? a husband and wife or husband and fiancee team?

If the last world war is an indication, couples got married in a hurry before combat, often to make sure the groom had possible offspring. No such concerns for immortals in heaven. But be that as it may:

The real killer of wt doctrine in this prophetic metaphor is their "anointed generation" spiel.

Jesus said the generation will only pass away, go to heaven, after all has happened. Jesus' generation are earthly "armageddon" survivors. In contrast, the wt generation of 1914 are the new recruits of the immortal combatants. so: there are 3 choices,

An engaged couple fighting the enemy,

a married couple fighting or

a couple, 1444 000 and one groom getting married after the battle. The answer my friend is written in the wind.

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Is doomsday coming as the Bible predicts or will nothing happen eventually?

by Fisherman in

the bible predicts that at some point, the god of the bible will take action.

this is very convincing when reading bible prophecy and history to back up prophecy as represented in the bible.

—exactly when god acts is another subject..

waton

fisherman, the bible is a mere 10 billion years out, a number with 10 zeros, about the beginning of the earth, when the universe was made out of nothing aka energy .

If nature has it's course it will turn into nothing aka energy again in time.

The earth according to the bible is hung on nothing too, really it is energy that expressed as velocity , that keeps it from falling into the sun. so.

with a dismal record like that, why would the bible with its "dooms day" have anything relevant to say?

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Will Ukraine win?

by Fisherman in

i was under the impression that it was going to be a short war, that russia’s military would indeed subdue ukraine’s forces quickly but that is not happening.

seems that russia’s military power is much less than it’s reputed to be.

no guess how it will all end..

waton

Russia is a world power

Fm: right, a big one at that, but as Stalin said, they come and go. Of course Russia could devastate all the small countries, and the world for that matter. but. would it not be better if it lifted its population out of its perennial suffering?

When I was young, the Russian dominated half of my home town had 20% the living standard of the western side. Even after 75 years, that discrepancy has not gone away.

Now the empire wants to impose their system on the world again, little country by little country.

own Bolshoi should be enough, and all the little ones say: enough please.

They do not want victory over Russia, just the bear to fix its problems first.

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Our J.W friends still have issues with beards 2022??Why?

by Witness 007 in

our witness friend who during covid grew his beard has been hassled by elders who asked him "why" he chose to have facial growth.

he for real, had to give an answer why.

this is pharasees total rubbish.

waton

Tell him it's a good thing he didn't get an ear pierced.

why not? just like shaving,

The mark of the awl through to the door jamb could become the bible approved symbol of the watchtower slaves, for those that like it that way. aw[l]ful. Deut 15, 15, 16 17.

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Will Ukraine win?

by Fisherman in

i was under the impression that it was going to be a short war, that russia’s military would indeed subdue ukraine’s forces quickly but that is not happening.

seems that russia’s military power is much less than it’s reputed to be.

no guess how it will all end..

waton

not saying, that authoritarian regimes can not do great things for their populations, China is to be admired to have lifted the Billion to great prosperity and worldwide strength.

Europe has seen its wars in the last century or two, but nothing like the savagery of the eastern conflicts, (without attaching blame) Gorby and all of my generation want it to stop.

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Our J.W friends still have issues with beards 2022??Why?

by Witness 007 in

our witness friend who during covid grew his beard has been hassled by elders who asked him "why" he chose to have facial growth.

he for real, had to give an answer why.

this is pharasees total rubbish.

waton

men were the outdoor protectors of the families, and sunshine does terrible things to skin and lips. Beards are natural protection for these areas.

While surfing up and down the coast of California, Hawaii, the pacific islands, I was known as the "tape man" , for covering my lips, cheeks and of course wearing a hat while on the board. On occasions my lips got burned, I looked like a Hiroshima survivor, my wife refused to kiss me ha ha. That what happens when near arctic dwellers invade other's spaces. so

let proven natural features reign. smooth faces are for the ladies, the biblical "workers at home" .

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Will Ukraine win?

by Fisherman in

i was under the impression that it was going to be a short war, that russia’s military would indeed subdue ukraine’s forces quickly but that is not happening.

seems that russia’s military power is much less than it’s reputed to be.

no guess how it will all end..

waton

what Russia has to come to realize is, that its neighbours do want to hugged by the bear, The populations are still bearing the marks of Russian expansionism. Fortunately for Russia, in its 20th century foray into Europe, attacking Poland, the baltics, Finland, the west was on their side.

The west is now closing ranks, they had enough of the constant threat from the east.

The line has to be drawn at the russian border.

Matka, babushka russia, look after your children first, bring them up to the normal, western standards.