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  Question #2 for JW's

  by BoogerMan in

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  how could the "two witnesses" mentioned in revelation chapter 11 possibly be j.f.

  rutherford and his companions who got jailed and then released in 1919?.

  w14 11/15 p. 30 - so in the fulfillment of revelation chapter 11, the anointed brothers who took the lead at the time of the establishment of god’s kingdom in heaven in 1914 preached “in sackcloth” for three and a half years.. watchtower november 15, 2014, p. 30 - revelation 11:7 says that it is "the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss" which kills the 'two witnesses'.. since the wild beast of rev.

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  waton

  How could the "two witnesses" mentioned in Revelation chapter 11 possibly be J.F. Rutherford and his companions who got jailed and then released in 1919?

  BM: was not the release of the wt administrators from the penitentiary in Atlanta billed by wt doctrine doctors billed as proof that "Babylon the great had fallen", now: "had a fall" ?

  Personal misfortune of wt heavies seem to them always be cosmic shaking events. causing shaking heads instead.

  Carl Sagan about cosmic events:" [wt*] announced the end of the world, but nobody noticed"

  *prominent religion
  
  
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  What sort of people were the JW's who went to prison? Government study tells all

  by Terry in

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  do you feel a draft?

  (jw’s did-in the 1960s)i thought you might find it interesting to review exactly what the u.s. government thought, studied, and wrote about people of conscience during the vietnam war.what follows comes from official records…more than half of the 27 million men eligible for the draft during the vietnam war were deferred, exempted, or disqualified.

  (cortright, david (2008).

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  waton

  By Wolfgang Benz

  May 27, 2022, 5:14 p.m

  Jehovah's Witnesses were the only religious community that united and consistently opposed Nazism out of their faith. The Bible Christians numbered about 25,000 souls in Germany at that time. Because they refused the Hitler salute and the oath to the "Führer", military service and any activity in armaments production, the Jehovah's Witnesses, who originally called themselves "Serious Bible Researchers", were banned and persecuted by the Nazi regime, from 1933 in the German Reich , later also in the areas under German rule or German influence.

  Daily mirror plus

  Memorials in Berlin Tiergarten: Jehovah's Witnesses do not refuse to commemorate

  “Bible researchers” were persecuted under National Socialism and put up resistance. A commemorative sign in the capital ( berlin) is still missing. A plea.

  In the current issue of Der Tagesspiegel, not the daily mirror.
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  Question #1 for JW's to offer an explanation

  by BoogerMan in

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  the r&f jw's are defined by the wtbts as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the new covenant:.

  wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

  6 - "further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the law covenant.

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  The membership of the New Covenant was and is restrictive as to the quality and quantity of its members or those specially anointed to be of that class of people forming a Spiritual Israel of 144,000. sJW.

  Like many self appointed so called wt scholars, you are confusing the New Covenant with the Kingdom Covenant. just repeating old unfounded stuff.

  all the 12 tribes of Israel were in the Law covenant, only the kings & priests in their separate covenants. similarly

  all of the 12 tribes (of Rev 7, the Israel of God ) are in the new covenant, The 144 000 of 7, 14, are in the special, kingdom and priestly covenant.

  All of Israel of old partook, all the 12 tribes should partake. not just those that were sealed out of them. John 6.
  
  
  
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  Question #1 for JW's to offer an explanation

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the r&f jw's are defined by the wtbts as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the new covenant:.

  wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

  6 - "further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the law covenant.

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  The New Covenant was a more intimate or restrictive arrangement

  scholar jw : that is made up wt bunk.

  According to Jeremiah, the new covenant is not more restrictive but broader, no chapter and verses, just forgiveness of sin. for all comers. Christ came to buy back that was lost, for all.

  The other sheep are Cornelius et al, and the twelve tribes of Rev 7.

  The new covenant clears away sin for human perfection to happen again. The "anointed" partakers, sacrifice that right to earthly life in order to aspire for the upward calling, just as Jesus, the "Second Adam" did. only

  to rule with Christ for a thousand years to have to die a martyr's death, with the axe, not sedated in hospice.

  100 of 1000 nds to choose from since Stephen.
  
  
  
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  Question #1 for JW's to offer an explanation

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the r&f jw's are defined by the wtbts as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the new covenant:.

  wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

  6 - "further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the law covenant.

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  a deliberate lie, to create an elite group within the org. BM

  if the partakers are the future rulers of the universe, may the deity have mercy on us.

  Clearly, the Bible needs to be corrected on this point. George

  right. but not just on that, but starting at Gen I :I because

  the earth is ~ 10 000 0000 000 years younger than the beginning creation event.

  The Earth was not created with the heavens, but by the "heavens", generations of now dead stars,
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  Question #1 for JW's to offer an explanation

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the r&f jw's are defined by the wtbts as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the new covenant:.

  wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

  6 - "further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the law covenant.

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  Rev. 7: the 144 000 (wt partakers all), "come out of the 12 tribes of Israel." All members of the 12 tribes are in the covenants, mosaic and "new". They are not strangers. The 12 tribes are the majority, not the minority of believers.

  This "stranger, Jonadab' doctrine " is a wrong, strange wt teachings about excluded "strangers". 100 year old old light of abstention from the emblems.

  The wt anointed, are in the "kingdom covenant", all christians ( members of the 12 tribe "Israel of God" ) are in the new covenant which is basically for "forgiveness of sin". .
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  The Passing of a GREAT Musician.....

  by titch in

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  i just found out this evening, may 27th, that the well-known greek musician, vangelis, passed away just last week.

  may 17th, in fact.

  he was 79 years old, which, well, as you know, is old.

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  there is something spiritual about how common notes, positions on the keyboard can be transformed by someone like Vangelis into a powerful resonances in our minds, and stay there. and re-sonate at will, without the instruments. It is clearly

  One way into the future, to be a creatore like him, and having children. The other ideas offered by religions will have to wait to be verified, to be real.

  Vangelis you enriched us.
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  Baptists have more in common with JW's than they think

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://apnews.com/article/baptist-religion-sexual-abuse-by-clergy-southern-convention-bfdbe64389790630488f854c3dae3fd5"leaders of the southern baptist convention, america’s largest protestant denomination, stonewalled and denigrated survivors of clergy sex abuse over almost two decades while seeking to protect their own reputations, according to a scathing 288-page investigative report issued sunday.. these survivors, and other concerned southern baptists, repeatedly shared allegations with the sbc’s executive committee, “only to be met, time and time again, with resistance, stonewalling, and even outright hostility from some within the ec,” said the report.. the seven-month investigation was conducted by guidepost solutions, an independent firm contracted by the executive committee after delegates to last year’s national meeting pressed for a probe by outsiders.. “our investigation revealed that, for many years, a few senior ec leaders, along with outside counsel, largely controlled the ec’s response to these reports of abuse ... and were singularly focused on avoiding liability for the sbc,” the report said.

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  One of the US Baptist organisations is supposed to have made public the list of their offenders. wt is reluctant, because with L. Greenlees possibly topping the list, there might be also falsely accused, mere suspects, that would open a real legal can of worms, or cornucopia.

  organizing things has it's real drawbacks. did not jesus instructed to simplify ?
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  Do you think Watchtower is owned by a man at the top

  by Foolednomore in

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  do you think watchtower is own by one man at top that is so mysterious but only the governing idiots answer to?.

  or could it be a family like the rothschilds or some other wealthy family.

  or a secret branch( experiments) of the government?.

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  (Franz did not agree with this and gave, at a convention what would now be considered an apostate talk)

  Jrf, I remember that, the "tail wagging the dog analogy", and wondered what went on at the top.

  I have seen too, that astonishing, ostentatious wealth exists at the periphery of the administrations.
  
  
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  What Ended in 1914?

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
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  1913!.

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  On the street i was raised, 1914 ended the construction of ornate buildings adorned with statues of beautiful ladies, and the start of building bare basic housing.