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  Jesus, without sin and a perfect human being ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how could he be, regardless of how god impregnated mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the bible.. mary was subjected to the adamic sin like all other humans, so jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.. to believe otherwise is just deluding oneself imho .. the only way jesus could have been really without sin is if god created him the same way he created adam.. what do you think ?

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  waton

  I have it on good read, that the supernatural, if any, has a capital J in it. but

  I would think that to mean Joseph, a story with no metaphysical, 'beyond -natural-laws' happenings in it.
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  Optimum human Order, the Olympics

  by waton in

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  anybody watching the olympics here?

  bodies perfected, minds steeled against pain?

  amazing performances in sailing, running, jumping, throwing.

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  waton

  Anybody watching the olympics here? Bodies perfected, minds steeled against pain?

  Amazing performances in sailing, running, jumping, throwing. Had a funny experience today:

  after a night of watching Roger Bannister's look alikes doing the 200, 400, 5000 mts, , the pole vault, visually the supposed post -armageddon normal,

  I had to visit an office, and was shocked by the consistent contrast in appearance of the able help, fully filling all the chairs, to what I had seen all night. Then it dawned on me, I had seen them too, --- during the hammer throw.

  thank you for the minus signs. but really,

  what is your take on this expression of near adamic / evic perfect, human peak performance?

  ps: games are serious matter, Brazil and Mexico soccer teams nearly coming to blows.

  Understandable, perhaps these were boys, that had rising from unimaginable poverty to be at the pinnacle and are now challenged in their further climb.
  
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  Splane's "Apostate" talk transcript

  by FFGhost in

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  2. friends

  for any who can't (like me) muster the masochism necessary to sit through an 18-or-so hour commentary on a 30 minute talk from a certain famous/infamous commentator, here is a link to a transcript from splane's saturday afternoon "apostate" talk:.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ot7z2e/splanes_apostate_rant_transcription/.

  there are many topics worthy of consideration, but this particular section really stood out to me:.

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  waton

  Splane's talk just tells me that they are monitoring this site as well as Reddit and whatever other forums there are.

  HD, yes, and the issues are not about scandals but doctrines. because all organisations have the pedophile component, even the boy scouts. so it comes down to doctrines, and they have conceded, no contest.
  
  
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  Jesus, without sin and a perfect human being ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how could he be, regardless of how god impregnated mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the bible.. mary was subjected to the adamic sin like all other humans, so jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.. to believe otherwise is just deluding oneself imho .. the only way jesus could have been really without sin is if god created him the same way he created adam.. what do you think ?

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  I see a certain parallel with Eve being the big first stepper in the right/wrong direction, but as far justice is concerned, she, or her act was not held against us. now,

  if Mary died a martyr's death to, we are covered on mother's side too. if

  there ever was a talking snake, not just a story.
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  Splane's "Apostate" talk transcript

  by FFGhost in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for any who can't (like me) muster the masochism necessary to sit through an 18-or-so hour commentary on a 30 minute talk from a certain famous/infamous commentator, here is a link to a transcript from splane's saturday afternoon "apostate" talk:.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ot7z2e/splanes_apostate_rant_transcription/.

  there are many topics worthy of consideration, but this particular section really stood out to me:.

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  waton

  FG: thanks for the link. as to

  the " kind words " DS and co know their peers, and want to brand them as motivated by only temporarily emotionally pent up, personal issues. , . They previously mentioned "lingering issues". so, they recognize that they would fail in an open debate on them. are appealing to those with these recognized beefs to not knock the 'sheep that are led to the slaughter' out of their comfort zone.

  In effect he concedes a looning defeat in the debates, knows that threats will not stop them. he did not make any, this time around.
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  David Splane's apostate warning convention talk

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i know this recent video has been talked about already but i just watched it and here are a few things that got me annoyed as usual:.

  splane says that if a bible student says he saw some negative information from apostates and asks us to explain it, we shouldn't look at it or address anything specifically, but instead we should tell them to go to meetings and hear what we have to say about ourselves and also tell them to befriend people at the hall.

  for any person with integrity and/or intelligence, this is not a satisfactory answer.

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  rm: right, like the Mormons also realized, DS mentioned how damaging it is when well meaning, knowledgeable insiders point out these flaws. Virulent opposers are not the only ones laying bare the truth , veritablement.
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  David Splane's apostate warning convention talk

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i know this recent video has been talked about already but i just watched it and here are a few things that got me annoyed as usual:.

  splane says that if a bible student says he saw some negative information from apostates and asks us to explain it, we shouldn't look at it or address anything specifically, but instead we should tell them to go to meetings and hear what we have to say about ourselves and also tell them to befriend people at the hall.

  for any person with integrity and/or intelligence, this is not a satisfactory answer.

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  waton

  David Splane identifies the key concern of Wallkill or is it Warwick. when in the outset he identifies the bull's eye of "Satan's attack" as the "structure of Jehovah's organisation"

  "Satan", being only the first of the straw men situations he sets up to restrict the scope of the arguments.

  Not a peep about the doctrinal failures, expect a brief reference to "Noah's Ark" not the ~ 10 km of additional water present ~ 2021 years before Christ , covering Everest.

  On the report of children dying, he failed to mention that wt itself published a special issue about young ones that lost their lives because of the blood issue.

  DS: " This is war" declaring it officially. reminds me, how in the 1930, 40s in Europe, heavy penalties were meted out to anybody listening to BBC, so as to find an alternative story. Ideally, wt wants all jws to have only 'volksempfängers', I guess; Mercifully Splane did not threaten dissidents with death at Armageddon or shunning now. finally

  appeal to emotions,

  Good text about wisdom in walking with the wise ones though:

  making you wise to the wiles of wt speakers, wise to the errors, hopelessness inherent in the ever changing wt teachings, the unfulfilled, unfulfillable wt promises.
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  The Last Day

  by johnamos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  [7-1-98 wt – martha said of her dead brother, lazarus: “i know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” (john 11:24) how did she know that?

  …she might even have learned this from jesus himself.

  (john 6:39 - this is the will of him who sent me, that i should lose none out of all those whom he has given me, but that i should resurrect them on the last day.

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  wt places the first (heavenly) resurrection to have started at 1918, after the expelling of Satan , into a cleansed heavens.

  Did Lazarus become one of the anointed? or died a second time still with an earthly hope as all the apostles at the time until Pentecost? anyway,

  the last day lasts a long time. perhaps there might be more last days than we can imagine.
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  Gee-hovah does this and Geehovah does that for me!

  by Overrated in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did you ever had a over zealous brother/sister with tales that where even told from the platform on how gee-hovah did things for this person at nausea.

  just made you sick.

  an insult to one's intelligence.

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  waton

  Meeting comments too are ripe with astonishing statements by those, who according to the Lord's law should excel by their silence,

  " J--- likes this and not that, J--- will, will not, J---- soon--." "we all should-- " amazing prophetesses.
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  What Was Your Most Memorable Field Service Experience?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  me: selling the wt and awake for 10 cents at 5 years old.

  i don't mean to brag or anything, but i sold 'em like hotcakes.

  i musta been a cutie at 5 yo.

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  waton

  Some of us would count time we never put in. LOL

  mbc: there was a story going around of a circuit overseer traveling to a far away weekly assignment, dropping in on a 'pioneer home' on the way, and finding one full timer writing a letter to a 'call' , all the others in bed, but counting time. horizontal group witnessing.

  the 10 minutes for every human on earth per year must be generated somehow.