Posts by waton

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If you could pick out critical errors to the JWS religion what would it be ?

by Rocketman123 in

many that have come to this forum have left the jws religion and moved on with their lives but from a outsider's viewpoint what do think makes the jws religion wrong or incorrect as a active christian faith ?.

somethings come to mind such as its long continuous end times/armageddon soon doctrine which has really been a core doctrine for decades going right back to its beginning .. maybe they should have adopted the stance as other christian based faiths and adhered to jesus's own words when he said " no one knows of the time not even he ".

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waton

wt sees itself as superior, chosen, because of right doctrine, the "truth" ---But: if their truth is false, that sinks their tacking sailboat.

Current total failure? the latest "last generation" loop.

Jesus said his contemporaries/ generation would not pass away, before the end of the [jewish temple] system. (all these things are fulfilled). so in his words, they might die later, and did. John of Patmos for example.

wt's "second fulfillment" scenario does not follow those parameters, contradicting Jesus.

wt prophecies, that The Anointed Generation will pass away at the beginning of the GT, not after Armageddon. and

we have not yet mentioned the 20 year overlap of 2 centenarians., since 1914, that expires in 2075.

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WT'S memory loss, minimizing the "memorial",

by waton in

for those still interested in wt maneuvers, this past week's wt study re: ransom.

after the talking snake and consequences part: .

"john wrote more about the ransom" then others.

waton

2. If Jesus included everyone in "anyone who partakes", then why did he institute the memorial with only his 11 apostles? Is there an indication that he invited everyone, and only his 11 apostles turned up?

Dw: Jesus, at that point had the right to everlasting life earth, which he was about to sacrifice. the 11 apostles had a firm hope of an earthly kingdom too, when jesus served the bread and wine to them. They would through that symbolism have the right to everlasting life on earth, forgiveness through the new covenant.

All partakers get the right to everlasting life on earth, not immortality in heaven, but not all are called to give that restored adamic (or Eve) perfection up in wt land, only 144 000 sealed once.

Jesus served the emblems to earthly hope "sheep". it behooves wt to do the same, to claim to be his followers.

sorry for split reply, got balled up in the premature yellow.

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WT'S memory loss, minimizing the "memorial",

by waton in

for those still interested in wt maneuvers, this past week's wt study re: ransom.

after the talking snake and consequences part: .

"john wrote more about the ransom" then others.

waton

There was a gap of one year between the events of John 6 and the institution of the memorial.

DW: 1) it is called "progressive revelation" and he also said, there are many things I should tell you, but you are not ready yes" or words to that effect

2. If Jesus included everyone in "anyone who partakes", then why did he institute the memorial with only his 11 apostles? Is there an indication that he invited everyone, and only his 11 apostles turned up?
answer: The passover was a family celebration, and that was his closest spiritual family.
just commenting, not endorsing the talking snake story's veracity.

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WT'S memory loss, minimizing the "memorial",

by waton in

for those still interested in wt maneuvers, this past week's wt study re: ransom.

after the talking snake and consequences part: .

"john wrote more about the ransom" then others.

waton

Vh: yeah, it is like a protection racket. you threaten people with the GT, created by the deity, then offer them a way ot by becoming slaves. The point of the Op was, that wt, in that "study", heralded John's writings as supreme on the ransom, but then developed amnesia when it comes to the key part: Jesus as quoted in John 6 on life through partaking.

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WT'S memory loss, minimizing the "memorial",

by waton in

for those still interested in wt maneuvers, this past week's wt study re: ransom.

after the talking snake and consequences part: .

"john wrote more about the ransom" then others.

waton

is there not a strong chain of steps in the application of the ransom? can you take, comunion, the Eucharist, the memorial denial ritual out of achieving it's goal?

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"My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

by Diogenesister in

can anyone remember the reasoning the watchtower gave for jesus speaking these words?

if you have a reference that would be even better!.

waton

The script writers must have gotten the plot wrong. It is very unlikely that the lead character would quote an ancient text verbatim, in his last breath, to prove he was fulfilling prophecy. unless

he really was worried about his credibility.

I like the way it left open the identity of the deity ,though. .

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"My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

by Diogenesister in

can anyone remember the reasoning the watchtower gave for jesus speaking these words?

if you have a reference that would be even better!.

waton

to fulfil a prophecy in the psalms. A self fulfilling, controlled "messianic prophecy, mentioned in connection / contrast with those he could not, like the dividing of the looted clothing, the intact leg bones.

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Then there was light.

by Earnest in

jw
friends

the universe came into being 13.8 billion years ago in the big bang.

after an initial flash, it went through a period known as the cosmic dark ages.

according to a new study, probing cosmic dawn, 250 to 350 million years after the big bang the first stars emerged bringing light to the cosmos.

waton

Surtsy Island didn't exist before 1963.

SB: and already being colonized by life that started to profilate 4 billion years ago.

I worked in a coalmine once, where fossilized life forms were buried 1000+ meters below the surface. May be that carbon rich new layer on Surtsey will turn into coal too, and buried that deep.

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WT'S memory loss, minimizing the "memorial",

by waton in

for those still interested in wt maneuvers, this past week's wt study re: ransom.

after the talking snake and consequences part: .

"john wrote more about the ransom" then others.

waton

For those still interested in wt maneuvers, this past week's wt study re: Ransom

after the talking snake and consequences part:

"John wrote more about the Ransom" then others. . --- yeah, but

How about chapter 6, where partaking of the symbolic flesh and blood is a prerequisite for getting to enjoy the benefit of the payment, that the deity exacted, strangely feeling bound by the later law of soul for soul?

Babylon the great also handles that commodity, the ransom value, and they are ready to withhold it, perhaps, to even those in highest position, like POT-US, who do not protect all life, even the very young. so

wt where is your memory? where does it say you will get life restored by the ransom / New Covenant without partaking?

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Then there was light.

by Earnest in

jw
friends

the universe came into being 13.8 billion years ago in the big bang.

after an initial flash, it went through a period known as the cosmic dark ages.

according to a new study, probing cosmic dawn, 250 to 350 million years after the big bang the first stars emerged bringing light to the cosmos.

waton

Hoyle's Big Bang implies an initial acceleration and then a translating of the first energy burst into distance, and they are still fine tuning the rate at that expansion. and it is accelerating, which means more energy being expanded as we go, One alternative theory has the universe acquiring that from the spacetime that the universe expands into. another is of course that matter, stored since the beginning, is converted into energy to fuel & drivel further acceleration.

One feature of the Big Bang follow up in mainstream science, is inflation, an expansion of spacetime faster than even the speed of light.

There are many unexpected transient events in our solar system SB.

It speaks for the robustness of the resonance based harmony/stability here, that it was sturdy enough to allow fragile life to evolve over 4.5 billion years.

all done with energy and the right natural laws.

There is a theory, that universes that BIg banged with different laws, did not last to see life emerge.

My money is on that is was wrought right in the first place.

second thought, if heavy elements were only forget in the normous pressure of stars, supernovae, why was there only hydrogen and some helium after the beginning, if it was such a banging compression?