alternative theory:
a) the great Crowd are the 12 tribes out of which the 144 000 are sealed, the leftover.
b) The new jerusalem. the 14000 stones with 12 pearly gates come down from heaven too.
c) all the denouement of the talking snake story.
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10144000 and the great multitude
by cmaymann inhellow.
i am studying some material about jehovah’s witness – and i wonder why they think, that the 144.000 from rev 7 should be in heaven, and the great multitude should be on earth.
can anyone give me some argument for this opinion?.
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Have You Been “Gaslit”?
by minimus ingaslighting is a form of sustained manipulation that causes the victim to question or doubt their sanity, judgment and memories.
it’s a form of emotional abuse.
i think jehovah’s witnesses have been gaslit.
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waton
gaslighting int today's daily text . wt, who drummed 1914 into everybody's head, blamed "some brothers" that expected the world to end, go to heaven. in 1914. but:
it is a laudable quality to kep slaving, because one day, the day jehovah will 'vindicate his sovereignty sanctify his name!'
that was defiled by wt's false prophecies. bsw.
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144000 and the great multitude
by cmaymann inhellow.
i am studying some material about jehovah’s witness – and i wonder why they think, that the 144.000 from rev 7 should be in heaven, and the great multitude should be on earth.
can anyone give me some argument for this opinion?.
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waton
so it looks like the multitude stand in heaven
cmm, good point, when wt writers formulated this slant, they wanted to differentiate themselves from the "snare & racket" religions. their argument?
the earth is the footstool that stands before the throne I guess.
The other point is of course, that the 12 tribes out of which the 144 000 come, are sealed out of, the 12 "earthly" tribes.
as a side note, wt has admitted that the supposed "Great Crowd" does not exist yet, since Rev 7 says that it "comes out of" the "great Tribulation, now a future event, it had started in 1914 in past failed wt doctrine iterations.
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$75 Million for Two Brothers! Wow!
by Iamallcool inhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/us/north-carolina-wrongful-conviction-compensation/index.html .
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waton
"Where the carcass ($) lies the eagles gather." Z
yeah, may the highly paid lawyers (who might have worked pro bono) have that monetary incentive to sniff out more innocents, and more importantly, help eliminate the real culprits from our midth.
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144000 and the great multitude
by cmaymann inhellow.
i am studying some material about jehovah’s witness – and i wonder why they think, that the 144.000 from rev 7 should be in heaven, and the great multitude should be on earth.
can anyone give me some argument for this opinion?.
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waton
wt's argument is, that Rev 14, (the other text mentioning the 144k is Rev 7), says, that they are the ones that "follow Jesus wherever he goes". he went to heaven, therefore, , so must they.
by contrast the rest of the living do not go where Jesus went, so they must be on Earth.
These earthly folks are the 12 tribes of
theIsraelof God. confusing? yes wt writers are confused. conveniently.7, 14, 14 4000, (12x12 000) , all very spiritual numbers in wt numerology, organisational perfection. in contrast,
The great multitude (who no man can number), wt tries anyway reporting tabulating every detail.
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$75 Million for Two Brothers! Wow!
by Iamallcool inhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/us/north-carolina-wrongful-conviction-compensation/index.html .
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waton
it is expensive to fight crime, it is despicable that innocents were convicted, suffering the abuse in prison, if not loss of life, because it was convenient, cheaper. now it costs. and guess who is going to pay?
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''Humorous Preaching'' coming near you soon
by RULES & REGULATIONS in''what is jehovah's witness' favorite band?''.
i give up!
what is jehovah's witness favorite band?.
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waton
You want Corn? try the kingdom massage ! weekly at your kh/zoom room.
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Ah, Jonah. 3 day air supply explained ?Whale sharks gulp down air to float vertically while feeding
by waton inhere from new scientist magazine: .
whale sharks gulp down air to float vertically while feeding.
life 12 may 2021by christa lesté-lasserre.
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waton
here is a new one for breathing for 3 days surrounded by stomach churnings:
Pigs can breathe oxygen via their rectum, so humans probably can too
HEALTH 14 May 2021By Clare Wilson
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2277532-pigs-can-breathe-oxygen-via-their-rectum-so-humans-probably-can-too/#ixzz6uzpsDIPQ -
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Ah, Jonah. 3 day air supply explained ?Whale sharks gulp down air to float vertically while feeding
by waton inhere from new scientist magazine: .
whale sharks gulp down air to float vertically while feeding.
life 12 may 2021by christa lesté-lasserre.
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waton
a -piece of Literature, with many lessons for us
P: yes: the lesson is: dont go preaching, you are going to be fooled and seen as a fool. and
that why this item appears under humour. the story is laughable. the more and New Scientist appears to remotely look at it.
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Ah, Jonah. 3 day air supply explained ?Whale sharks gulp down air to float vertically while feeding
by waton inhere from new scientist magazine: .
whale sharks gulp down air to float vertically while feeding.
life 12 may 2021by christa lesté-lasserre.
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waton
AM, this satire thread was talking about fish. some species take their young into the mouth in the presence of predators.
Jonah probable appreciated the too narrow passage into the stomach too, because if not lack of oxygen, digestive fluids would certainly make him think twice before refusing a "theocratic assignment". again.
Frankly, the whole bible story is hard to swallow.