after looking through doug mason's "ransom" thread, i noticed a little discrepancy between dub doctrine and the bible; i.e.
lazarus.. if the wages of sin is death, lazarus paid the wages in full by dying, and when resurrected by jesus, he should then have been a "perfect" man.
after all, he paid his wages for his imperfection -- he died.
it is all just stories. but to play along, resurrection of Lazarus would not have restored perfection, but just just restored the previous state. better focus on the resurrector:
To give any credence to the story, jesus should have been allowed, with angelic maneuvering and protection, undetectable, to live past 1000 years before being killed. preferably timed to happen in our day. gerontologists would have had a hay day.
it is kind of a puzzle, only one of the 4 is real, but all have been mentioned by wt.
i am ham fisted, but will try to re-post in a while.
the line leads to 2075. try it, then read the quote.
Bachelors are huge in WT Mythology. The ' Sons of God", batchelors all, who did not remain chaste in Noah's day precipitated the Flooding of Everest. That is called precipitation!.
it is kind of a puzzle, only one of the 4 is real, but all have been mentioned by wt.
i am ham fisted, but will try to re-post in a while.
the line leads to 2075. try it, then read the quote.
and there can be sequels, because the wt to 2075 scenario is based on Adam, the bachelor. The reason 1975 failed (according to them), is, that Adam ultimately married the final masterpiece, Eve, and only that rib cloning started the sabbath.
it is kind of a puzzle, only one of the 4 is real, but all have been mentioned by wt.
i am ham fisted, but will try to re-post in a while.
the line leads to 2075. try it, then read the quote.
neat blue dog, thank you, but I thought these days you need at least a bachelor (5) degree for that, seeing that they are so rare in the GB.
I found it interesting, that by prompting from Fisherman, one can cover from Adam to Armageddon (and beyond) through 4 one-time male virgins; like the old-timer A-A h2h sermons .
1) Adam, (before Eve)
2) The king of 1914, (not yet betrothed)
3) Fred. Franz,
4) David Splane's Franz-like overlapper , ne' ~1975, today >46 years old , expected to survive to the 2075 rapture.
it is kind of a puzzle, only one of the 4 is real, but all have been mentioned by wt.
i am ham fisted, but will try to re-post in a while.
the line leads to 2075. try it, then read the quote.
Adam was still a bachelor at age 42 -and counting.
Fisherman: since you like numbers, Another bachelor, Fred .Franz (who gave us 1975), would live another 17 years after 1975, to 1992. An anointed*** born in 1975 , overlapping Franz by 17 years, and living to his age, would die in 2074, leaving a year to finish the dirty work of Armageddon in 2075.
Another bachelor, the king ruling since 1914, could then proceed with the wedding with his bride, the then complete "New Jerusalem".
*** The possibly older-than Franz anointed was mentioned by David Splane in his chart video, and that overlapper of course was a bachelor (or bachelorette) at one time, perhaps even until the 2075 144k+ 1 wedding of male virgins.
it is kind of a puzzle, only one of the 4 is real, but all have been mentioned by wt.
i am ham fisted, but will try to re-post in a while.
the line leads to 2075. try it, then read the quote.
It is kind of a puzzle, only one of the 4 is real, but all have been mentioned by wt. I am ham fisted, but will try to re-post in a while. The line leads to 2075. try it, then read the quote.
so i recently moved back to my really really really small hometown in the south.
it was the place that my parents moved to from a major city up north in the early 1970's.
when we lived here times were very tough financially and i was always told that the reason we did not attend meetings was due to the fact that we had no car / no gas for the car / could not afford repairs for the years we were there.
Adam was still a bachelor at age 42 -and counting.
Fisherman: since you like numbers, Another bachelor, Fred .Franz (who gave us 1975), would live another 17 years after 1975, to 1992. An anointed born in 1975 , overlapping Franz by 17 years, and living to his age, would die in 2074, leaving a year to finish the dirty work of Armageddon in 2075.
Another bachelor, the king ruling since 1914, could then proceed with the wedding with his bride, the then complete "New Jerusalem".
there has been some discussion regarding the change in the jws message so i thought i would have a listen to the recent annual meeting to try to get an idea as to why the jws are not clear on the matter, once again.
it's strange that the annual meeting hasn't been put on jw org tv to date.it looks like the confusion stems from a talk given by tight pants tony and i've written out a part of that talk.
his talk was titled 'making our blows count'.
Pre 1975 wt put a limit of 6 month on any bible studies. even dear old ladies serving tea to special pioneers for years, were to be dropped after the 6 month ultimatum.
Strange though, with wt expecting the six thousand years to end and paradise to begin,after Armageddon, they never had the guts to actually go into full "judgement message " mode, tracts and all.
Perhaps that is why Armageddon did not come. Wt not printing the right stuff, and UN not responding and attacking... ha ha. Tony came close to the 6 month limit again. nice try.
according to the watchtower:.
who received the ransom payment?.
why did the ransomer need to be paid?.
If the ransom would be for Adam, he would be a candidate for the resurrection, which wt denies
"To buy back that what Adam lost "--oops---, but not for himself, but for his off spring?
a couple years ago we had a speaker, better than average, give the talk.
since i was still pretty much a believer, i commented to him how i enjoyed the talk, and how it was "entertaining".
it was, but he got mad as it was one of the beat the fear of god (governing body) into you talks.
i said once: that was a well rehearsed talk (CO), convincing delivery. he said "thank you" . i replied: "it is always good if such talent would be used in defense of the truth."
