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  JW renaming things: "It's Not this, it's ....."

  by Muddy Waters in

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  2. beliefs

  this was brought up in another thread, but i thought it should have its own thread.

  feel free to add your own observations and experience.

  the jws are so duplicit, and they rename things to somehow justify their own irrationalities.

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  waton

  it is not the pastor, nor company servant, or congregation servant, not even the presiding overseer, no, it is the Coordinator of the body of elders.
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  Dunkirk.

  by zeb in

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  i have just seen the film "dunkirk".

  do yourselves a big favour and go see it.

  (not for kids).

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  waton

  Goering's name is actually Meier, He said " if an enemy plane reaches Berlin, my name will be "Meier" a common commoner's name. it stuck. stukas notwithstanding. He failed over Dunkirk and over germany.
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  JW renaming things: "It's Not this, it's ....."

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this was brought up in another thread, but i thought it should have its own thread.

  feel free to add your own observations and experience.

  the jws are so duplicit, and they rename things to somehow justify their own irrationalities.

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  waton

  before 1929, the President, King and Queen were the Superior Authorities, then it was that Jehovah and and Jesus (really the wt) were superior, the 1960s: ... surprise! it was the President and Queen again. up to now, but also Satan's agents ?
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  JW renaming things: "It's Not this, it's ....."

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this was brought up in another thread, but i thought it should have its own thread.

  feel free to add your own observations and experience.

  the jws are so duplicit, and they rename things to somehow justify their own irrationalities.

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  waton

  It is not an admission of doctrinal error, dismal bible study, it becomes:

  "upon further consideration..."

  It is not : We published error, it becomes:

  "some brothers developed false expectations..."

  wt "becomes" is unbecoming for a pillar supporting truth.
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  Finds in Jerusalem shore up biblical account of Babylonian conquest (586 BCE date)

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a nice article about archaeological finds, what caught my attention is the use of 586 bce as the date for the destruction of jerusalem.. according to biblical descriptions, in 586 bce, the babylonian king nebuchadnezzar vanquished the judaean king zedekiah and razed his capital city, jerusalem.

  the babylonian captain of the guard nebuzaradan was dispatched into the city, where, as told in the book of jeremiah, he “burned the house of the lord, and the king’s house; and all the houses of jerusalem, even every great man’s house, burned he with fire.”.

  http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-jerusalem-finds-shore-up-biblical-account-of-babylonian-conquest/.

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  waton

  @ saename : good point. They believed the then anointed generation would not have to overlap, would be all raptured in 1914. WT could not admit, even to themselves, that the world had not ended in 1914, so they made it invisible, hence their 1918- 1922 talks: "The world has ended, millions now living will never die".

  as Carl Sagan observed," the world had ended, but nobody noticed it--"

  586? 607? ancient stuff, but the wt blunder are blatant and before us in their literature, "-- Proclaimers..." book
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  Finds in Jerusalem shore up biblical account of Babylonian conquest (586 BCE date)

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a nice article about archaeological finds, what caught my attention is the use of 586 bce as the date for the destruction of jerusalem.. according to biblical descriptions, in 586 bce, the babylonian king nebuchadnezzar vanquished the judaean king zedekiah and razed his capital city, jerusalem.

  the babylonian captain of the guard nebuzaradan was dispatched into the city, where, as told in the book of jeremiah, he “burned the house of the lord, and the king’s house; and all the houses of jerusalem, even every great man’s house, burned he with fire.”.

  http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-jerusalem-finds-shore-up-biblical-account-of-babylonian-conquest/.

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  waton

  "Finds in Jerusalem shore.." and

  I thought it was Jerusalem's beach, ancient curiosities, like amber, after global warming sea levels reach their peak.
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  Question for those who went to the RC

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm just curious with all the happy clapping that is now going on with the singing at the conventions.

  what has been the reaction to it with the r&f.

  has anyone ever commented that it reminded them of a pentecostal revival meeting.

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  waton

  At one time in the past wt said it was wrong to sing harmony tones in the kh hall.
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  "Is There a Creator Who Cares About You?" -- New Light Edition

  by cognisonance in

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  after studying hubble space telescope images of the night's sky and attending classes under disguise at wor-wic community college (air travel and tuition funded by your donations no less), gerrit losch managed to secure a two-thirds majority vote among the governing body to release a second updated edition of the creator book.

  this new edition replaces the "pillars of creation" (eagle nebula) cover photo with "god's birdie" (carina nebula):.

  they've also had a change of heart with regards the concept of intellectual honesty and have updated the quote on page 9 that said:.

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  waton

  That is not a finger, that is a replica of the real thing, balls and all, punishing saluting humankind for inventions like the telescopes to see it, message: stay ignorant, no higher education, the wt mantra tantra too. keep at it! reproducing and progressing.

  Anybody remember the CO's video on phallic religious symbols in BTG? all fingers pointing at "god" church steeples, minarets, domes (breasts)? ha ha
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  Spiritual headship question

  by charity7 in

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  non jw here married to a jw.

  i was told by two witnesses that if a woman jw were to marry a non jw that she would have no say whatsoever in what their children would believe or go to church if he was of a different religious belief and he enforced it.

  from what i've read in different threads this is actually not the case.

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  waton

  I remember a "committee" of 3 case, where a brother, in order to marry his Catholic sweetheart, signed a paper that committed him to bring up the children in his wife's religion. That was a tough one, after he had already been "put on probation" for finding out how sweet the lady really was, without clergy blessing.

  They all survived the mess, and are successful humans. humane treatment prevailed , wt rules notwithstanding.
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  They lied about methuselah tree at convention

  by hoser in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there was a part about pine trees in california mountains at regional convention.

  the brother/organization lied about how old they are.

  he said oldest tree is 4200 years old when it is actually 5000 years old.

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  waton

  "...they wouldn't have survived a supposed worldwide flood, and months of soaking.

  janusfulcrum, not to forget though, that those woods were pressure treated, with ~ 6000 meters of water above them, to submerge Mt. Everest.

  The woods before the flood were special, evidently. They must have had extraordinary tensile strength, close to Aluminium, self adhesive to stick together and easy to work with like balsa. These are thorny questions, the methuselah age, dates, dating clearly not a biblical, or wt forte.