jw family loses a civil case against a pa hospital where the mother died after bleeding following child birth.
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http://law.justia.com/cases/pennsylvania/superior-court/2017/1838-eda-2015.html.
thank you for posting that link. Brave doctors to take on recalcitrant blood refusers at all. In hindsight different procedures could have been followed from the start, but an undetected , unknown abnormality of the Uterus proved to be the achilles heel.
sad loss, wt probably just as correct in this doctrine as in their dating.
strong family ties & family values did not matter to jesus:.
- a person must hate his or her family and themselves in order to be jesus’ disciple (matthew 10:37; luke 14:26).
- jesus will give a big reward to those who forsake their family, abandon their home, leave their family behind for him.
I hope you are being ironic! cofti
one can not take any of this stuff seriously. reply to a fool according to his foolishness?
strong family ties & family values did not matter to jesus:.
- a person must hate his or her family and themselves in order to be jesus’ disciple (matthew 10:37; luke 14:26).
- jesus will give a big reward to those who forsake their family, abandon their home, leave their family behind for him.
Those scriptures legitimise the "Pioneer, sacrifice all for wt" propaganda in almost every wt "study". are we not glad there are mitigating scriptures like Paul's " Wives, be obedient to your husbandly owners" ?
http://www.christiantimes.com/article/jehovahs-witnesses-consider-european-court-appeal-after-russian-supreme-court-upholds-ban-on-sect/72529.htm.
july 19, 2017the jehovah's witnesses expressed its plans to appeal to the european court of human rights in strasbourg after the russian supreme court upheld a ruling that banned the sect and declared it as an "extremist" organization.
"we plan to appeal this at the european court of human rights as soon as we can.
It is a replay of the Canada / Quebec situation, where strong arm tactics within a sympathetic population, was overruled by a more liberally minded larger entity. and
The European Union is liberally minded, bent on destroying itself. Will Russia mount a defence , using all the ammunition that The RC in Australia and revealing sources about WBTS Inc. practises could provide? Poor JWs caught in the middle do not deserve this hassle. Lives being destroyed while many JW profiteers prosper.
when i first became a witness, i always found the teaching about jesus being the arch angel michael hard to swallow.
i did however believe that jesus pre existed as a master worker alongside god (the first of his creation).. but now everything is brought into question having watched anthony buzzard explain why jesus could not have pre existed as it is impossible to pre exist yourself.
also the fact that it all sounds contradictory to suggest, he was already alive millions of years before he was transferred to mary's womb to be born as a human - the son of man?.
If the biographical Jesus, walking on water, resurrecting 12 year old young ladies by laying on top of them is real, it is only a small step to extend the fantasy into the distant past. He must have been watching while the snake talked, water lapped over Mt Everest, Satan showed him all the kingdoms on a flat Earth. The near eternal, invisible part is easy.
do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.
i was raised as a jehovah's witness.
i was born in.
if a certain religion is true, why is it not like gravity described above?
unsure: gravity is always attractive, but many members here have found aspects of the WTBTS inc setup really repulsive
the supreme court of russia has rejected the jehovah's witnesses' appeal.. https://jw-russia.org/news/17071719-195.html.
july 17, 2017 the supreme court of russia has missed the last chance to restore law and justice for the 175,000 russian citizens professing the religion of jehovah's witnesses.
it took less than an hour of the meeting a panel of three supreme court judges, to leave unchanged the decision taken earlier by the judge yuri ivanenko, the liquidation and ban any and all registered organizations of the religion.since there is no more effective domestic remedies, the believers will appeal to the european court of human rights and other international organizations.. *note: as reported by the jworg source, jw-russia.org.
Coincidence: 7 earthquakes 7.4 in Russia today. Fisherman
bible inspired writing style seems still to be with us today, Russian News had one quake, in the Pacific off Kamchatka Peninsula, on the 17st. now, to make that a biblical seven for vengeance, add 6, unless you count the seven in 17,
One slip like that can sink your credibility, but then, fishermen are known for their "fish' stories, the big ones that got away. Zeal, wishful thinking, carried you away?
ps: appeals to European human rights courts coming perhaps, now more quakes ? or quacks?
we all know that the governing body claim to be "god's representatives" and the "faithful and discreet slave" that dispenses spiritual food..... but where is the proof?.
according to the bible (if we just for a moment take it as a reliable source), all of god's representatives in the past furnished proof of their appointment - not just self referential claims or statements.. for instance, moses and aaron performed miracles before pharaoh (such as the snake staffs.).
other prophets performed signs and miracles such as making the sun stand still, healing sick people, making walls fall down, etc etc.... even jesus performed miracles as proof of his divine appointment!.
And the claim that they have "love amongst themselves"...
siar2: themselves refers only to their narrow clique in, not the whole congregation, not extended to ethnics, newcomers.
i've noticed a few of my local grocery stores are stocking a. vogel homeopathy products.
a. vogel is a company ran primarily by jehovah's witnesses, the "brains" behind the operation, alfred vogel, has since died but he claimed to be one of the anointed.
the bolle family (co-founders of the company) is a well-known, (now very wealthy) family in the netherlands and there have been significant "contributions" in the past from the company to the watchtower organization.. alfred vogel was a well-known conman, he claimed blood transfusions would change someone's personality, he claimed to have studied native american herbal healing methods... from a native american tourist photo-op actor.
Was not one of these operations in the 50, 60, 70, based in Montreal, Canada? then taken over by a bigger player? generosity to wt work[ers] is right.
most jws i know claim they are happy being in the great crowd.
they'd rather live on a paradise earth and pet lions than go to heaven.. heaven is a place they can't relate to, a place where they don't expect their friends and loved ones to be.. so why are more and more jws claiming to be of the anointed?.
aren't they looked down upon as if they are crazy, proud, ignorant, or engaging in apostate thinking?.
"religion" is being trance-formed but what can it do? Very interesting times indeed!
Old Navy: interesting news. you must mean tranche- formed, from french: "tranche' "to cut, a tranche, a piece of a pie or bread.
Do they all accept the talking snake?
