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  The org and going beyond what is written

  by CitizenofEarth in

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  hello there.. my father just claimed that the good thing about being a witness was how they just let the bible interpret itself.

  now i know the irony in this statement, but i dont know what to show him that he just cant discard with some ignorant excuse.

  any ideas?

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  waton

  .waton,
  Won't a jw use the overlapping generation thing to answer that?

  caria, thank you for caring! well, they could not, for the timing of the departure of the anointed is fixed by the fact that they have to be gone and in heaven ahead of the Great Tribulation / battle in which they participate as immortal warriors. The fact that the anointed are gone from the Earth before the GT contradicts Jesus' words, (and the history of the first century) that the anointed do survive the destruction!

  The overlapping only makes the generation longer. the wt anointed generation is not too long, but too short,*** too short by the duration of the GT and Armageddon, even the start of paradise! *** I started a topic with that title.

  wt is going beyond what is written when they call the generation the "anointed". the required overlap is just one more added proof that wt is wrong.
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  Trump Really Does Love Walls

  by freemindfade in

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  waton

  is this not a retaining wall holding back the dirt?

  of the the temple mount? not the "dirt" DT is usually thinking about.?
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  The org and going beyond what is written

  by CitizenofEarth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello there.. my father just claimed that the good thing about being a witness was how they just let the bible interpret itself.

  now i know the irony in this statement, but i dont know what to show him that he just cant discard with some ignorant excuse.

  any ideas?

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  waton

  ask him to read Math 24:34 and confirm with him, that all written in Math: 24 and 25 ( the GT, goat judgement , Armageddon) ,according to Jesus in verse 34, will occur, before this generation will pass away. Then ask him when the anointed generation will pass away to heaven, according to wt,.... before the Gt or after Armageddon. ?

  answer, wt: before. Jesus: after

  wt goes beyond or rather short of the bible "prophetic generation genealogy" wt not ingenious. can not even read the bible right, when it counts.
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  Sanderson's hate speech

  by Listener in

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  gb member sanderson has given a hate speech in response to the recent russian ban.

  it was given as a morning worship rant.

  sanderson sports his usual smirk.. he opens up quoting matthew 10:22, 23 about persecution.

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  waton

  Of course telling anybody that they will be destroyed, or should be, is hate speech. Threatening anybody with death, carried out be your friend (angelic or not) can be an assault in some jurisdictions. It is not the end of the world for jws, far worse happened to them in the 30s - 40s in germany, and we are still here. Wait until they would go after patterson wall - kiil and war - wick, then according to the pattern, he howling about wicked kill and wall to wall war ! will start
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  What would happen in the resurrection

  by Anony Mous in

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  we all know the jw doctrine of life and resurrection on earth after armageddon.

  this video inadvertently explores the flaws in the doctrine.

  https://youtu.be/l-s34gz3xwg.

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  waton

  bible: after the 1000 years, the the Earth will have 4 corners again , to accommodate the nations gathering there for the final battle. even without stretching it, that promise gives 25% more surface for the same diameter. but since there is so much hot air in the bible, while not blow the corners out ( the bible does not say they have to be 90 degrees) to accommodate the 100 billion easily,? 25 billion in each corner? or 16 billions on each side? also:

  The bible says "there will be no more sea", so, then eliminate the Oceans, you more than triple the land area. (here goes your dream of the waterfront property, sorry, jws!) ha ha.
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  Laws in the 1000 year kingdom?

  by CitizenofEarth in

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  hello there.. tried to bring this up with my family.

  didnt go well - they cling on to the utopia that the org paints, so i am gonna put this topic to your attention.

  i would love to hear what you guys/girls think about this - god or no god i find this interesting.

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  Resurrected ones, Thou shalt not use hormone treatment to restore your sex drive as "children of the resurrection" . Resurrection? no erection!
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  Laws in the 1000 year kingdom?

  by CitizenofEarth in

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  hello there.. tried to bring this up with my family.

  didnt go well - they cling on to the utopia that the org paints, so i am gonna put this topic to your attention.

  i would love to hear what you guys/girls think about this - god or no god i find this interesting.

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  waton

  thou shalt not save pennies! because long before one tenth to eternity, you would have hoarded all the copper in the Universe.
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  Laws in the 1000 year kingdom?

  by CitizenofEarth in

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  hello there.. tried to bring this up with my family.

  didnt go well - they cling on to the utopia that the org paints, so i am gonna put this topic to your attention.

  i would love to hear what you guys/girls think about this - god or no god i find this interesting.

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  Thou shalt not build aeroplanes.
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  Suffering And The Meaning Of Life

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

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  what is the meaning of life?

  we all die, so what is the meaning.

  religion tries to bridge the gap with absolutist answers to this problem of existence by giving immortality to it's members in good standing(so join us or parish).helps to pay the bills using fear of annihilation to keep members as a source of material $$uport.

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  One must find the intrinsic value in the present. That's what we're taught in Judaism. DJ:

  That deep feeling must stay with jewish people even if they become witnesses. I remember now, ~ 30 years ago, while living in Florida, visiting a congregation in a wealthy neighbourhood, Jewish sounding names, very handsome, dignified people too. and an astounding ambiance I never felt before, of the value of the present. I thought: " this is how it must feel like to be at the end of the millennium, when you have arrived, when the present is perfect.

  So why wait? sharing the earth with 100 billion?
  
  
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  1925 versus 1975

  by Sour Grapes in

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  in the early 1970's i was an elder who was convinced by the other elders in the congregation that armageddon was coming by the end of 1975. at that time, as an elder, i knew that in the early 1920's the witnesses thought that in 1925 christendom would be destroyed and the faithful men of old, abraham, isaac, noah, etc., would be resurrected to earth.

  i knew those were failed prophecies yet it did not bother me.

  as i ponder why it didn't shake my faith, i must have given the borg a pass since it was so long ago or maybe because the light is getting brighter.. i am afraid that the same thing is going to happen with the 1975 video at the assemblies.

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  waton

  I think there was a far greater exodus %wise in the 1925 aftermath ( hindsight math calculation) than in 1975, fewer were left inside to actually remember, and those were of the kind not to think, and enjoy the ride for whatever reason (feelings) . !925 predictions were also much more detailed and deluded, and false. 1975 had a calculation to base it on, but 1925?