i'm not sure if this has been discussed before - i did a brief search and couldn't find anything on this particular aspect.. for those atheists who believe it is all nonsense anyway, feel free to ignore this post.
i happen to be of that same persuasion but i still enjoy discussing it on a philosophical level.
its funny how you may have left because of the more "out there" doctrines and chronology etc not making sense and you come to see that they are going "beef the things written", but the longer you're out and the more you think about your old beliefs, even the most common basic or "fundamental" doctrines are also "going beyond the things written.. baptism as a symbol of dedication is a case in point.
Hebr. 10: 7-10 : "--I have come [ to baptism] to do your will--" is cited to by wt writers, not of dedication, but of an public , symbolic act, declaration to do "god's" will
God, like in Guardians Of Doctrine aka F&DS, GB at spiritual war in warwick. meaning made clear by :
Spirit directed Organisation, not HS.
now that she has announced that she is 20 weeks pregnant and not married, what is her status in the cult?
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"Serena was pregnant when she won the 2017 Australian Open and thanked jehovah for the winning shot.
dd: In the heyday of Commi east germany, the coaches would get the girl competitors, ( mostly single) pregnant, no better boost than those legal hormones.
They were not blaspheming though, they thanked their drug overlords.
uc berkeley orders cancellation of ann coulter speech.
officials at the university of california at berkeley on thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by conservative firebrand ann coulter.. the university had announced wednesday that it was canceling coulter’s appearance following several political protests in berkeley that turned violent.. but on thursday, the university said it had found a venue where it could hold the speech on may 2, instead of the original april 27 date.
however, a leader of the college republican group that originally invited coulter said the university was placing strict conditions on the event, and he said his group intended to reject the new terms.. before the reversal was announced, coulter had vowed to go ahead with an appearance anyway.. that probably would have put security officials on high alert and might have sparked another showdown in struggles over campus safety, student views and ideological openness.. “what are they going to do?
Does that include the violence in--.
sm 1010" of course it does, violence is a step too far, The beatings of non flag saluters that i saw in the 1930s, the book burnings. Even the shooting of armed [police] men as in Paris can be wrong. Killing an unarmed black man? or 4 white men. like in Fresno CA? of course. But then, you do not have be armed to present a mortal danger to others. a hit in the head will do it, like the young lady that was killed defending girls from being harassed by a group of imports, in Europe.
Violence shows you have lost your reasonable arguments.
I love to listening to opposing views, Ann, and the opposing left leaning lady were always fun.
i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.
banned.
which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..
It will drag on, it is not final. Rather than the ban'em all, it would have been interesting to have the individuals who write, authorize , order others to distribute, these hidden threats brought to justice, expose what, by whom is really taught and thought.
uc berkeley orders cancellation of ann coulter speech.
officials at the university of california at berkeley on thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by conservative firebrand ann coulter.. the university had announced wednesday that it was canceling coulter’s appearance following several political protests in berkeley that turned violent.. but on thursday, the university said it had found a venue where it could hold the speech on may 2, instead of the original april 27 date.
however, a leader of the college republican group that originally invited coulter said the university was placing strict conditions on the event, and he said his group intended to reject the new terms.. before the reversal was announced, coulter had vowed to go ahead with an appearance anyway.. that probably would have put security officials on high alert and might have sparked another showdown in struggles over campus safety, student views and ideological openness.. “what are they going to do?
All these bans, violent protests to shut down discourse and debate, just shows the fragile reasons that the opposers stand on. can not stand to hear an opposing view expressed.
i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.
banned.
which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..
bad timing, russia did the ban on the day another banner was born, the one with the swastika banner.
a posthumous birthday present to Stalin's great foe?
outcome? history repeats itself. you will be judged the way you are judging. wt had it coming to them.
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d: I disagree with you; the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society did not make and could not have made a prediction in 1918
D: you are either blinded, or perhaps deliberately lie, distort/ obfuscate the truth about wtbts inc's past, Its' directors' past. . For the record, open the proclaimers book page 426. You have not dealt with any of the facts raised because you know , on all these subjects you are sunk. particularly the partaking issue that started it all.
blondie’s comments you will not hear at the april 16, 2017 wt study (february 2017) (ransom).
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/jesus-ransom-a-perfect-present/.
excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .
I second your comments. Ransom not to repurchase loss, but promote wt ideas.
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djeggnogg: It's none of your business what Jehovah's Witnesses teach in this regard,
but it is, everyone's business. because it is wt's stated purpose to extend those teachings worldwide, and enforce them through harsh disciplinary measures, limited only by current local laws. (wt loves to influence lawmakers, and courts)
To the extent that these teachings are flawed, it is in everyone's interested to have these errors exposed. sooner rather than later. because millions of lives lived based on error, are not lives well lived and lived to their potential.
People deserve to be informed of that. or?
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djeggnogg: This article states that the lives of God's anointed ones that were alive when the sign began would overlap with the lives of those who would see the start of the great tribulation, this event being also a part of the sign.
These thoughts about "lives and being alive"overlapping are news to me. In that case, if you use birth age, and not "time served as anointed" as an overlapping criteria, you would have the long lived, plus the next freddy franz over and under lappers get you to 2125, another nice anniversary.
1914+ 99 ( ff 1) = 2013, + 99, ( ff 2) = 2112, and allowing for David's astute comment of even older anointed, like the 107 year olds in wt experiences, (allow for medical advances too) 1914 + 214 = 2128.= 2125-3. , and the GtT would then be just starting, the real fireworks yet to come. so: happy anniversaries, 2075, 2125, all possible within wt data. but
The wt anointed generation is not wrong because it is too long, no, because it is too short.
I know David well, and he did not look well delivering that anointed generation chart bit. and why would he.
P.S. Oddly, wt's 1918 prediction: "Millions now living will never die" had one element of bible "truth": If these millions were considered the generation. Jesus in effect said/ment . that the generation of the second fulfillment would never die, because the benevolent "sheep" must be part of the natural generation that sees past the end, ( all these things) which includes their favourable judgement to enter everlasting life.ha ha ah.
