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  "There is evidence of a Creator if you just look for it"

  by unsure in

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  (for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).

  “there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.

  many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.

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  waton

  How ever even if Einstein was a theist, it does not prove anything., unsure:

  I am not trying to, by invoking Einstein, to have authority, he just resonates with me in his original expressions (he lived in my home town for a long time).

  He was not a theist, but a deist. He had a disastrous family life and rejected a personal, intervening god. did not believe in an afterlife : "ach was"

  I agree with you, that it is confusing to listen to all the arguments or sort out what supposedly inspired books or interpretation thereof give by way of insights into "god".

  Research into creation itself should give a picture of the creator, or absence of.

  Listening to the results of the top researchers, theorists would give us an inkling.

  " go not beyond the things written created" , my credo.
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  "There is evidence of a Creator if you just look for it"

  by unsure in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  (for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).

  “there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.

  many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.

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  waton

  unsure:

  "--Sorry not sure what you are getting at. I said that Einstein was at most agnostic and some would say athiest

  thank you for that link. reading it re-affirms my impression that Einstein was in no way an atheist, just as Newton too was convinced in a superior mind behind, or better before the natural laws and creation. My impression were formed by reading extensively about A.E. (I quoted from "Einstein in Berlin"--""where is the old Jehovah?")

  Often Einstein referred to the creator as " Der Alte", the old one.

  Modern advocates like to equate Atheism with intelligence and belief in a mind behind nature , deism as dumbness. But remember, the greatest seminal science, Kepler, Newton....... was done by believers, and it was done because they believed, and their discoveries strengthened those beliefs.

  Einstein well exemplifies a deist. your link is highly recommended reading.

  Post Script: Confusion sets in because the term A-theist, which lumps too many shades of unbelief together. Einstein did not believe in a trinitarian or other religious, intervening deity, but did all this work with the conviction in the existence of a prior, superior creative mind, responsible for the cosmos we live in.
  
  
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  Santa Claus or the Talking Snake, which did you take?

  by waton in

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  who are more gullible, believers in santa or the ones in "the serpent"?

  an old man that delivers gifts?

  quite possible, grandpa does it all the time!

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  waton

  Being Jewish we take the "talking snake" as mere allegory. David_Jay

  All the supposedly Christian writers being Jewish too, not just the one that penned the first book of Moses, they carried on the sustained metaphor right into Revelation. Not to be outdone, hardly a wt meeting goes by without the symbolic original serpent, perhaps morphed into a roaring lion gets mentioned, as a real dangerous enemy.

  I wanted to hear others feelings expressed as having been involved in spreading a ridiculous story like that, that was claimed to have devastating on jall creation, and cosmic consequences, on"universal sovereignty"no less.

  I really like the light symbolism, brightness generated by oxidisation, flame, as we still carry that original spark that started it all, and that was carried forward by our specific ancestors. I am so glad your's carried through the 30s and 40s too.
  
  
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  "There is evidence of a Creator if you just look for it"

  by unsure in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  (for the record, i’m agnostic who is earnestly seeking an objective, honest and concrete hope for something greater).

  “there is evidence of a creator if you just look for it”.

  many of us have heard similar sentences from believers regarding proof of creator, proof that their religion is the correct one, proof that their particular sect is the right one, proof that their individual sects interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one, proof that their own personal interpretation of a certain religious text is the right one; the list goes on.. in one of my previous posts, i shared the following thought of mine:.

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  waton

  When I happen to look at my wife together in a mirror, I am shocked, and she should be appalled too, for she is so much more beautiful viewed head on. mirrors and smoke do no justice to the beauty of creation.
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  Jehovah witnesses and life insurance

  by Steel in

  1. watchtower
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  my wife was recently cornered by the elders about her blood card because she didn't have one.

  so one elder witnessed her sign it and he signed it and one elder made himself her health care agent.. with the memorial coming up i am thinking of maybe having a life insurance policy drawn up, maybe in the amount of 300 or 400 dollars a month and i will ask these two dipshits if they would like to sign it.

  it only seems fair they should be finicially responsible for my son since they made my wife sign a document endangering her safety.. what do you think?.

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  Can't you use your 'headship' authority to ask for the card and documents? How dare an Elder claim authority over her health care. Listener:

  Very good point! The elders/wt insert themselves in so many unscriptural ways into the family arrangement outlined in 1 Cor 11; 3.
  
  
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  Santa Claus or the Talking Snake, which did you take?

  by waton in

  1. social
  2. humour

  who are more gullible, believers in santa or the ones in "the serpent"?

  an old man that delivers gifts?

  quite possible, grandpa does it all the time!

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  waton

  Ja, und ich bin der Weihnachtsmann! TD

  et moi, le Pere Noel.

  how could we ever have argued at the doors, in the studies for doctrines that would not exist with out that piece of nonsense.? more improbable than le Pere Noel , o(de)r der Weihnachtsmann mit der Rute.

  thank you TD!
  
  
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  We Pass the Bread and the Wine Just like in the Bible! But, why is forbidden to eat?

  by lusitano o tuga in

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  see what bridget azaz did!.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzbe5yo7uq4.

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  waton

  next week's partakers will be different from the crowd Jesus served,

  1) 2017's will be "anointed", 0033's was not,

  2) the crop of 2017 will not only be anointed, but also overlappers.

  3) The first partakers believed they could survive the End (of Jerusalem), ---the present partakers are told by wt, (contradicting Jesus) that anointed overlappers will definitely die before the end.

  come to think of it, they have been overlapping since 0070 CE.

  PS: ask your local partaker what it feels like to be an overlapping anointed partaker?
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  Santa Claus or the Talking Snake, which did you take?

  by waton in

  1. social
  2. humour

  who are more gullible, believers in santa or the ones in "the serpent"?

  an old man that delivers gifts?

  quite possible, grandpa does it all the time!

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  waton

  Santa, as a catchphrase, seems to have different embodiments in different cultures, carrying a beating broom in my home province. .

  By quoting from Genesis Jesus and his , (even modern day) disciples implicitly invoke the talking snake component, the redemption story would not make sense without it. Christ, the conveyor of the Revelation, also tied in the speaking great Dragon( now with legs) into that slithery allegory.

  I feel bad about ever having used any arguments referring back to that story, because it reinforced it and implied I believed it, without me actually thinking seriously that I did.

  We used it to debunk the catholic's ***popular concept that the "apple" was sexual temptation, impossible with the procreation mandate.Tying jws to the snaking talk is a great way to show how infantile their beliefs really are. imo.

  PS:*** come to think of it now, the catholics were less gullible than we wt preachers: by them, recounting an unbelievable story was branded in the local dialect: " chante' la pomme" singing the song (of the talking snake) of the forbidden fruit. ha ha. we ,

  the jw proved ourselves to be the gullible gens. .
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  Santa Claus or the Talking Snake, which did you take?

  by waton in

  1. social
  2. humour

  who are more gullible, believers in santa or the ones in "the serpent"?

  an old man that delivers gifts?

  quite possible, grandpa does it all the time!

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  waton

  Remember blondie, in your family's home country, Santa Klaus was a much more rounded out character. beside the sack he carried a politically incorrect implement to beat all errant children, just like the wages of sin applied to all right away.
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  news... From ITALY

  by biblexaminer in

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  an old friend, a "brother" called from italy.

  updated on a few things.. most interestingly, he said they just had their final assembly at their "beautiful assembly hall".. why would it be the final assembly?

  because it's sold!.

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  waton

  Italians are truly great builders, New Yorkers great bankers.