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  NASA: Humans Back to the Moon

  by Gerard in

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  nasa plans return to moon by 2020

  "this vision aims to return humans to the moon, and then to use it as a staging point for a manned mission to mars.

  i wonder if jws will be required to canvas those areas too.

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  waton

  23 000 000 000 $ political boon dog-gel. go with musk.
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  114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
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  a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

  i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

  he brought up this juicy source:.

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  The ideal Israel

  note that in Rev 7, both Israel and the 144000 are contrasted. The total membership of the 12 tribes is indeterminate. the number of those sealed out of it, is precise, and limited. the angels are counting.

  until the last one is found. literally.

  It makes the New Jerusalem 144001.
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  “Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”

  by Fisherman in

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  “this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

  heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”.

  the destruction of jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things.

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  waton

  From the opening post:

  “this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur."

  here is the dissenting voice inviting wt writers to re examine:

  Current wt doctrine has the anointed generation of 1914 pass away to heaven at the outset of the Great Tribulation. however,

  the text above quoted for this discussion clearly states that this generation will survive all the things (not pass away until) the whole GT, the fall of Babylon, Judgement of goats, Armageddon), has occurred, is passe'. so,

  wt writers have here already contradicted Jesus' prophecy. False even before failed fulfillment reveals their error as in all the other instances, -- just by context. . time to recant, correct. abandon, apologize. imho.
  
  
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  “Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

  heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”.

  the destruction of jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things.

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  waton

  other sheep (and hopefully you will be one of them, Waton) lives forever on a paradise earth.

  thank you fisherman, ditto. I am making sure of that, by having flat bread and wine under all the full spring moons, because all those appreciating the ransom must partake, as commanded. I will leave it up to better judges to assign me my destiny.
  
  
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  “Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

  heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”.

  the destruction of jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things.

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  so, why did the reigning king, with all the authority given to him, not support the dissenting voices, that branded wt teaching wrong at the time and now, such as :

  the false prophecy of wt in 1918/1919 that " millions then living will never die" ?

  Do you assert that Jesus favours falsehood over truth? is powerless to stop falsehood? Of course

  In the current weekly meetings, wt shows the true prophet languishing in prison, lying spirits favoured, The powerful killing, dispossessing the righteous and lowly, with no intervention.
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  WT Style Pacificism

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  episode 203 of netflix ... i am a killer looks at the murder of christopher chavez in texas.

  christopher chavez was a 22 year old ministerial servant and a born-in son of an jw elder.

  after a thursday night meeting and a quick bite to eat afterwards with friends at a local restaurant, he was kidnapped, taken to a gas station and forced to drive his killers around for hours while they were in the back seat.

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  I would expect that anybody menacing my family would deserve a deadly response. After all there is the resurrection hope for them. Jesus died for them.

  A surer way to get them into paradise than the house to house work.
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  WT Style Pacificism

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  episode 203 of netflix ... i am a killer looks at the murder of christopher chavez in texas.

  christopher chavez was a 22 year old ministerial servant and a born-in son of an jw elder.

  after a thursday night meeting and a quick bite to eat afterwards with friends at a local restaurant, he was kidnapped, taken to a gas station and forced to drive his killers around for hours while they were in the back seat.

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  you can still edit the head line. its not a Paris dance, the can can.
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  “Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

  heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”.

  the destruction of jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things.

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  waton

  jws are required to believe the current official doctrine, The official stance can lead to reversals of the "truth" taught. see the tacking sailboat illustrating by the wt writer Karl. Klein. and

  as an example the wt understanding of the superior Authorities. Reversing course against the teaching of the prevailing wind, "pneuma" aka H. S.

  This is unlike the scientific process, wt does not propose theories that can make valid predictions, that can be, and are falsified, again and gain. Not theories, edicts with the death penalty attached.
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  114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

  i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

  he brought up this juicy source:.

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  waton

  There is biblical support that the 144,000 and the Great Multitude are identical

  VdH, no, the GM and the 12 tribes might be identical (wt at some place some time calls the 12 tribes the earthly class), but not the 144k,

  The 144 000 are the elite that comes out of the Earthly class. Even today's "partakers" were just observers in the beginning.
  
  
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  Of course, the whole enterprise is too magnificent to be reduced to fairytales, no matter how sophisticated.