“Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”

by Fisherman 34 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Fisherman

  “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur. Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”

  The destruction of Jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things. The Jews rebuilt Judaism… and other Caesars came along…., and no change. In the large scheme of things, God takes action.

  In Revelation, Jesus tells those Christians back then that he was “coming quickly,” and obviously people believed that literally and not that he was using poetic language with the word quickly meaning thousands of years later after they all died. They saw miracles and were convinced in their mind because of all the irrefutable evidence —but aside from all the proof to base their expectations upon, nothing happened. They all passed away and the earth and heavens remains the same to the human senses.

  —Like Peter and all the other martyrs though—they were convinced, even as they were passing away and nothing they expected realized.
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  Vanderhoven7

  "This generation" in all 4 gospels invariably refers to Christ's contemporaries.

  There is no support for the WTS current application let alone the 1914 overlapping generation manufactured without precedence.
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  truth_b_known

  Paul and John both believed that Jesus return would be in their lifetime. Paul's writings in regards to avoiding marriage if possible is proof of this. John's writings in the book of Revelations also suggests his belief that Jesus would return before John's death.
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  waton

  They saw miracles and were convinced

  They heard stories, we read those stories. grandiose words by deluded writers, for self aggrandizement.
  
  
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  Fisherman

  Only 3 gospels recount the olivette. In Revelation a great crowd survives the great tribulation that did not happen in 70 and neither did Armageddon and other climactic events such as the fall of B the great. In the Bible, prophecy can have a greater meaning and fulfillment. Take for example what Paul said about Sarah and Haagar being a prophetic drama.
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  Vanderhoven7

  Fisherman

  There is nothing in the Bible about the 1914 generation. Watchtower has added 1914 and 1919 to the gospel.

  Will Jehovah's Witnesses baptize people who do not believe these are biblical dates? If not, why not?
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  Fisherman

  There is nothing in the Bible about the 1914 generation. Watchtower has added 1914 and 1919 to the gospel.

  Depends upon how one interprets the Bible. Not everything in the Bible is clearly stated and defined. Much of the Bible is written in poetic language, literary device, allusions, implication, allegory, prophetic language, specially prophecy . Take for example the prophecy in Daniel foretelling his arrival in the first century. Obviously, God intended the ambiguous or equivocal language. “Let those who have ears listen.” and

  “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children.

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  For this judgment I came into this world, that those not seeing might see and those seeing might become blind.”

  So, God’s spirit is also a factor. Not saying that JW is right or wrong in their interpretations involving 1914 in this rebuttal to you, only bringing the point that interpretation and discernment is also needed.
  
  
  
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  Disillusioned JW

  The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE combined with the subsequent destruction of it in about 135 CE by Emperor Hadrian destroyed most of Torah-keeping Judaic Christianity (the Messianic Judaism of Jesus of Galilee brother of James son of Joseph), resulting in Pauline Gentile Christianity to become prominent.

  There never will be an Armageddon of the biblical type.
  
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  Vanderhoven7

  Fisherman,

  The gospel and the requirements for Christian baptism are not a matter of interpretation.
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  Fisherman

  The gospel and the requirements for Christian baptism are not a matter of interpretation

  Sure it does because there is “one Lord and one faith and one baptism” and if you worship Jesus or Mary or believe in hellfire or believe every christian goes to heaven or reject beliefs and teachings of JW such as interpretation of the 7x prophecy, you are not of the same one faith as JW.

  As you already know, JW do not accept other versions of Christianity or their baptisms.