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  A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

  by Fisherman in

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  obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

  and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

  in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

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  waton

  the only possible definition of generation that will not pass away is the overlap. There is no other possible definition so the great tribulation must hit shortly before the second group of anointed die off. Fisherman,

  You have not addressed the main issue, namely that wt is not correct. because according to their writers

  The anointed will pass away not until all has passed, but before it even starts. and

  calculations based on David Splane's talk on the chart,

  the overlapping groups do not expire until 2075.

  2 centenarians overlapping by 20 years each.

  200 minus 40 equals 160 plus 1014 comes to ~ 2075 allowing for a few years of tribulating.

  put that in your pipe and smoke it. so much for the wt "soon".

  
  
  
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  Reasons for doubting.

  by New day in

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  somebody mentioned in a recent topic that they had a conversation with a former elder whose breaking point was when the overlapping generation was highlighted in recent times and how he would never serve again until somebody gave him a scriptural reason to believe it.

  i am in a similar position.

  i have gone in the last 18 months from taking the wt study, leading fs groups, and doing talks on the mtngs to doing almost nothing, as i resigned a little over a year ago as an elder due to a combination of family responsibilities and huge doubts.

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  It is the only definition left that can fulfill the prophecy ( given wt scriptural interpretation of the year 1914 is correct to begin with. ) Fisherman

  You said it, I is the only interpretation left. and it is wrong.

  wt interpreted, predicted, prophesied, that in 1914 the world would end, and the wt anointed would be taken to heaven.

  The only definition left? all in the name of God, a witness to God?

  Feel sorry for youall.
  
  
  
  
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  A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

  and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

  in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

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  waton

  This generation will by no means pass away.. Fm.

  You are a brave man, knowing as you must, what the scriptures say about the fate of people that take away (partially quote to twist) scripture.

  The generation will not pass away-until all is fulfilled. then it will.

  Even Jesus was not immortal, he passed away, for us. Your thread title is already a false prophecy, because there is no immortal generation.

  wt teaches that the anointed generation of 1914 will pass away at the beginning of the Great Tribulation. That is

  False on 1914, false on what should happen in 1914, false on passing away before all has occurred.

  shameful. as an Austrian said: That is so bad, it is not even wrong.
  
  
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  Remember THIS illustration from the Borg?

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  bible teach chap.

  11 pp.

  110-111 par.

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  waton

  remember the illustration well. A self published, devastating suggestion by wt writers. because in the long run,

  Students always come up with better solutions. see the Brahe, Kepler, Newton, Einstein chain of advancement.

  Unlike wt old light, the equations of Kepler still work roughly for small orbiting objects.

  wt is deadly afraid of exposing their problems to public scrutiny and listening to solutions, worse yet, to have the whole class see the comparison between their dysfunctional doctrinal house of cards and reality.
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  Is the FACT that no God/god ever communicates with humans evidence that no God/god exists?

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  is the fact that no god/god ever communicates with us evidence that no god/god exists?

  i think it is very strong evidence that no personal god/god exits, especially a benevolent god who wants humans to know him him/her/it, to obey him/her/it, and/or to love him/her/it.

  since no god/god communicates to us (including those who sincerely want communication with the/a god/god), wouldn't it be sensible for those who pray to what they believe is the/a god/god to cease all efforts to communicate to a god/god?

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  rtn, just as the universe, with trillions of planets, is really incomprehensible to us, so are the realities of concepts like eternity, infinite time and eternal, uncreated, undestroyable energy, although we have math symbols and formulae for them.

  the universe came not from a thing, but a no-thing, energy, an inherent property of eternal timespace. Look at nature, its beauty, power, size, and numbers as a message from the creator.

  " by their works you will know them" even The Father.
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  No pension no preparation for retirement

  by Mikejw in

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  a lot of my ex fellow servants must be now in their seventies, what can you do?.

  no children no money no home.

  it is so sad.. so many decided not to have children as the end was right around the corner and that was decades ago.

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  it is not just about the supposed end of the world, also about the uncertain timing of our little personal world , the person's death.

  how about the investments that were supposed to cushion the loss of income after the end of work life, say 25 year mortgages of houses you sold, and now as a 90 year old, staring at another bleak decade in the face, with all that cushion long gone?

  how good can bleakness get, with good governments, aka wt's "satan's world" stepping in?
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  My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

  by Sea Breeze in

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  a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

  wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

  that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

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  waton

  just because we are, through the scientific methods, ever better to find out how nature/existence works does not mean it is not work in the first place. wirklich
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  My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
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  a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

  wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

  that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

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  waton

  There really was nothing at some point. Fm,

  disagree here. there always was uncreated energy and eternal time to contain it. timespace instead of spacetime.

  The universe is still expanding into the future timespace .
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  Is the FACT that no God/god ever communicates with humans evidence that no God/god exists?

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is the fact that no god/god ever communicates with us evidence that no god/god exists?

  i think it is very strong evidence that no personal god/god exits, especially a benevolent god who wants humans to know him him/her/it, to obey him/her/it, and/or to love him/her/it.

  since no god/god communicates to us (including those who sincerely want communication with the/a god/god), wouldn't it be sensible for those who pray to what they believe is the/a god/god to cease all efforts to communicate to a god/god?

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  Energy can bring matter into existence and such happens. DJW

  IT DOES NOT JUST HAPPEN, THESE GREAT CONVERSATIONS HAPPEN IN INGENIOUSLY CONCEIVED SET UPS.

  WHAT MAKES YOU BELIEVE THE ENERGY TO MATTER EVENT, THE BIG BEGINNANG WAS DIFFERENT?
  sorry for the cap lock.
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  Elders won't tell you who have falsely accused you

  by enoughisenough in

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  having been a victim of this practice twice, i thought i would see if others had the same experience.

  on one occassion, i was before the elders being told i was drunk on a certain day at a certain time.

  ( this was only brought up because when i was pushing for a meeting because of elder mr x adultery , i was threatened somethings would be brought out about me if i persued the meeting.

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  waton

  here is a true story. a couple was to be married in the kh, after a super chaste courtship. He was a scripturally divorced man. They needed approval from his previous congregation. <24 hours through 12 time zones before the ceremony and banquet, there was a sudden delay. One of the elders in his previous congregation asserted that he had, more than a year ago, spend a night in a motel with his former wife and daughter.

  The same "spirit appointed elder" had previously at a pre- judicial meeting asserted he had seen a culprit with a boy. (in public but potentially questionable circumstances.) The meeting was about involvement with a female.

  In both cases, the accusations were dismissed just in time, the question came up though, if the subject did, or was in danger of committing an offence, why did he not intervene, or scripturally question the culprit ASAP? why only bring up these false accusation at a point where timely refutation was nearly impossible?

  wt appointee justice at it's finest.