Posts by waton

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Faith-Apostasy-Atheism

by DoubtingThomas in

i have been on m any different forums, and only carm is similar to this.. all the rest have rather hypocritical trust in god.. this and carm are for those who apostate to the wtbs and to god.. turned off by the gb, or hypocritical examples in the congregation, they drop worshiping god and their belief in the bible... for they know too much,.

that's why scripture isn't discussed, and jws like me, are demonized.. i am cool with that!

maybe some of you will come to their senses!.

waton

So it's "developed technologies" and those who use them you have put your FAITH in?

DT: of course not, that would be another man made religion. but

In mho. tech people from J. Kepler*** onward have provided far better descriptions of the father's work than the so- called holy books of all kinds. They are better prophets too.

I am looking forward to being on April 8, 2024 at precisely 3:27 pm near the assignment of the Allan sisters in last week's wt study.

our scientists put wt time&place predictors to shame. accept it. the word is "shame" to associate religious concept with the glorious creation we live in.

*** Johann Kepler, who's 3rd law of planetary motion is still used today to precisely calculate small body orbits. still true after 400 years,

J k was disfellowshipped . why?

apostasy. the fat J for the tribe of Joseph.

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Faith-Apostasy-Atheism

by DoubtingThomas in

i have been on m any different forums, and only carm is similar to this.. all the rest have rather hypocritical trust in god.. this and carm are for those who apostate to the wtbs and to god.. turned off by the gb, or hypocritical examples in the congregation, they drop worshiping god and their belief in the bible... for they know too much,.

that's why scripture isn't discussed, and jws like me, are demonized.. i am cool with that!

maybe some of you will come to their senses!.

waton

2 but in these last days

DT in these last days we, who like to really find the truth , have developed technologies that could be used by the deity to really prove these fables of old are true, substantiate some modern day equivalent of the supposed miracles, messages. sadly, the record has it, that

the supposed co-creator of the universe endorsed the flood, waters over everest, a flat earth where you could see china from the mid east, and more ridiculous stuff. did not correct scientific errors, misconception in ancient "knowledge".

nothing destroys your credibility more certain than flops like that,

Playing J. S. Bach while you read it, does not help, if it is B.S.

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Faith-Apostasy-Atheism

by DoubtingThomas in

i have been on m any different forums, and only carm is similar to this.. all the rest have rather hypocritical trust in god.. this and carm are for those who apostate to the wtbs and to god.. turned off by the gb, or hypocritical examples in the congregation, they drop worshiping god and their belief in the bible... for they know too much,.

that's why scripture isn't discussed, and jws like me, are demonized.. i am cool with that!

maybe some of you will come to their senses!.

waton

let us make a choice : a) the universe created itself or b) it was somehow created, from uncreatable energy.

c) made by a person a creator/trice.

In case of c) the bible/wt writer's picture of the father (or mother nature) is a gross caricature, at best.

wt is an obstacle to really have a meaningful search, spiritually commensurate with the immensity that we experience.

fun fact: we live in the now, the ever moving zero length moment, the present, that is a present. cherish your presence.

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The Watchtowers

by BluesBrother in

edit .. i messed up the title, on this touchscreen tablet and now i can’t edit it !

the title should be “ the watchtower’s (sort of) apology for 1975 ….. sorry.

january 1st 1976, i remember that day when i heard a radio disc jockey gleefully announce that the world had not ended as jehovah’s witnesses had said it would .

waton

it was 1914 all over again, about which Carl Sagan wrote: "-- the world ended, but nobody noticed," and wt right after, 1918 and on, commented

"The world has ended, millions now living will never die" the kingdom is in the spirit realm, , the end of the world symbolic too.

note the weasel words in th PO quotations that blame the victims.

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Should young children peddle Watchtower Society literature?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

one thing i always disliked about the watchtower society is how they use young children tp peddle their literature.

my mom insisted that my brother (12 years old) and i (9 years old) go out in field service every saturday morning.

didn't matter if it was 90 degrees or 20 degrees, we were out peddling watchtower magazines.

waton

it was mild child abuse! R7R

if it is mild, can normal, heavy be far behind? The affront comes in to call it "worship"

the elders, ms, too see the kids' hours and placements as a means to bolster the numbers to get more privileges, as a means to get rewards : a part at a circuit assembly maybe? on the backs of kids' innocence.

It is one thing to want to show appreciation to your parents, father, another to have to peddle old light propaganda, thereby become the laughing stock of your friends, and enemies.

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Can Jehovah's Witnesses explain the overlapping generation?

by pistolpete in

i found this interesting topic on the current views among jws regarding the overlapping generation.. the posts are hilarious.

how do most jehovah's witnesses explain the overlapping generation?.

i've asked a couple of jws to explain the overlapping generation and they directed me to the website jw------org.. either they don't know, or they do know but don't want to discuss it because they know it's bogus and embarrassing.. either way, surely they must know that this just extended the last days another 80 years from the time fred franz died.

waton

wt writer conflated contemporaries, groups and generation into their post-1914 era amalgam.

to declare the anointed to be the only ones that count in the mass of humanity that lives since then, is their real mistake. because

Jesus said that the generation in question would pass away only after the end. after all has occurred. however,

wt writers maintain that the anointed will pass away way earlier, --to be battle ready for their role in Armageddon, ----pass heavenward at the onset of the great tribulation.

They are discussing "Samson" right now, It will not take that much power to collapse their wt temple ( way of worship). Their doctrines have such serious build in flaws, that just as a deck of cards, it is already wobbly.

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Can Jehovah's Witnesses explain the overlapping generation?

by pistolpete in

i found this interesting topic on the current views among jws regarding the overlapping generation.. the posts are hilarious.

how do most jehovah's witnesses explain the overlapping generation?.

i've asked a couple of jws to explain the overlapping generation and they directed me to the website jw------org.. either they don't know, or they do know but don't want to discuss it because they know it's bogus and embarrassing.. either way, surely they must know that this just extended the last days another 80 years from the time fred franz died.

waton

based on circa 1914 generation being “the time of the end.” fm

that prophecy ot wt inc has been proved in several ways to be a false one.

why still trying to play variations on that old tune? generations of overlapping wt writers do not have the guts to take a fresh look at what really is of substance in the whole bible & tract enterprise. tragic at traction.

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Can Jehovah's Witnesses explain the overlapping generation?

by pistolpete in

i found this interesting topic on the current views among jws regarding the overlapping generation.. the posts are hilarious.

how do most jehovah's witnesses explain the overlapping generation?.

i've asked a couple of jws to explain the overlapping generation and they directed me to the website jw------org.. either they don't know, or they do know but don't want to discuss it because they know it's bogus and embarrassing.. either way, surely they must know that this just extended the last days another 80 years from the time fred franz died.

waton

Consider too that once a JW gets up there is age where their life is sealed -- that is, no longer any chance of making much of the change in the course they are on -- they have to believe it is near or else admit they will die.

DOC, yeah, like today's text says : " You have convince yourself that --" in other words indoctrinate yourself, whether it is factual or not. because it is not, it will change .

interesting sub question: why do dyed in the wool watchtower watchers on their deathbed regret missing the great tribulation, A ?

because according to wt doctrine everybody dying will get to see the paradise anway, nothing new there, but , wt guarantees only that those living past 2075 might see the endgame.

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Can Jehovah's Witnesses explain the overlapping generation?

by pistolpete in

i found this interesting topic on the current views among jws regarding the overlapping generation.. the posts are hilarious.

how do most jehovah's witnesses explain the overlapping generation?.

i've asked a couple of jws to explain the overlapping generation and they directed me to the website jw------org.. either they don't know, or they do know but don't want to discuss it because they know it's bogus and embarrassing.. either way, surely they must know that this just extended the last days another 80 years from the time fred franz died.

waton

wt believers might get an inkling what is up if they, listening to D. Splane*** would realize that he was actually promoting 2075 as the new end of the 6000 years with his overlapping super centenarians.

the 1975 - 2075, centennial. sponsored by: "wt centenarians for the centennial."

*** it would be Dr. D. Splane or even a PHD if that dissertation would be given at an institute of higher learning instead of the low key wt site.

We REAL JWs just think

DT. Israelites? anyway, with things coming up, 1914 could likely look like a picnic in the park, btw: 1941 with Barbarossa and Pearl Harbor was already, so:

easy,

just re-scramble the numbers, a watchtower specialty. 1914 1941

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Commenting Ban?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

do you think the watchtower will ban commenting at the meetings one day?

if you are pimo, you might want to try to make some comments to make others think about the “truth”!

.

waton

the Bible reading was a talk with personal commentary. Over all there are less personal expressions at the meetings

Fm: That is where wt stands condemned for not being truly christian.

The Example Jesus, gave a bible reading and was allowed to comment on the material.

novodays , at wt meetings, silence after the reading. only the ladies are allowed to blabber. 1 Cor 14: 34-37.

the wt congregation of the unholy ones.