lloyd evans has just tweeted a video he will be releasing soon on the "change" to the meaning of the sheep and goats and when that is to occur.. i've missed any discussion on that on here or anywhere?
it seems it was part of the 2020 annual meeting the gb had?.
any info on this?.
It seems they are now flip-flopping back to that separation work happening now
nswtg: since wt now teaches, that the Governing Body plus all anointed will go to heaven before Jesus sits down -- on his judgement throne. -- (and then mounts the stallion)
They can not stand the thought that they (as Christ's brothers, the focus of the goats neglect), will miss out on [over]seeing, organizing that action.
the watchtower teaches that the opportunity to be born again and enjoy complete justification with god ended in 1935, having been limited to only 144k since pentecost.
so, it is very surprising that the watchtower embraces the death that is described in romans chapter 6, since this is the very death that is required to be born again…… which is denied to watchtower members!
romans chapter 6, verse 7 is about saying goodbye to the old personality, the “old man” in the king james version.
DW, although that is not the point of my post, I'm curious, what is the current proposal on the 144K ?
SB: Peter, Paul & Mary were resurrected in 1918 , once heaven was cleansed.
The current "anointed" partakers, the generation of 1914 will rise to their reward in heaven at the start of the coming Great Tribulation. leaving the "sheep and goats" behind. These sealed "anointed" have to be in heaven to participate as immortal warriors in the killing of Armageddon, which is the end of this system, when "all these things have occurred".
Unbelievably, wt here contradicts "Jesus" who emphatically stated, that this generation (of wt's anointed of 1914) will n-o-t pass away until all these things have occurred,
the other wt gem is, that the remnant of the 144 000 is the generation that generously overlaps in at least 2 groups. as David Splane's remarks show:
2 centenarians overlapping by 20 years: 2x100 = 200 - 40 = 160 years +1914 = 2074
one year to 1975 + 100. not just a proposal, a prophecy by wtbts. inc.
does anyone have 1945 wt 8/15/45 p. 253i'm looking for confirmation of where the wt reportedly states that jehovah is only jw's "prospective" father.
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How many covenants do you believe are in the NT?
SB: the wt/ bible world has only a passing interest for me, I do not "believe" it has importance. so, I do not want even to go through my concordance to refresh my memory. I remember though, that even the kingdom covenant (promise to rule over the "12 tribes of israel" , was not only pronounced after the last supper, but also at an earlier occasion.
The new, forgiveness covenant in John to
you tell us please. for those that are interested.
as a jw did you have a pioneer sister/elder's wife who was the biggest busybody, self righteous, arrogant pus in the circuit?
who would look down on others and treat people like crap.. without giving to much away, i experienced one that knew everyone in circuit.
and if she or her husband saw or heard something they didn't like it was " you know what the bible says" regardless if it was in there or not.
The Flood of Noah's day just is hard to explain and does not make much sense scientifically. And don't get started on God, to me it's right up there with the tooth fairy.
Or, sorry, I mentioned the flood only to indicate that The judgement of gehenna is just as real as the talking snake, and the Everest covering waters.
Some elders wives kept a pretty low profile. I do think they had a huge influence on their husbands.
m: right there were some decent humans among the lot, but not a lot.
as a jw did you have a pioneer sister/elder's wife who was the biggest busybody, self righteous, arrogant pus in the circuit?
who would look down on others and treat people like crap.. without giving to much away, i experienced one that knew everyone in circuit.
and if she or her husband saw or heard something they didn't like it was " you know what the bible says" regardless if it was in there or not.
The JWS religion is full of self righteous arrogant people, right at the very top of the organization as well.
Rm: what do you mean self- righteous. It is not their fault that the deity appointed them.
as a jw did you have a pioneer sister/elder's wife who was the biggest busybody, self righteous, arrogant pus in the circuit?
who would look down on others and treat people like crap.. without giving to much away, i experienced one that knew everyone in circuit.
and if she or her husband saw or heard something they didn't like it was " you know what the bible says" regardless if it was in there or not.
The bible has a question for people like that:
"how are you going to escape the judgement of gehenna." now,
If archeologists could only find a talk enabled snake fossil in the mud deposits left by the deluge up in the Himalayas.
does anyone have 1945 wt 8/15/45 p. 253i'm looking for confirmation of where the wt reportedly states that jehovah is only jw's "prospective" father.
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just as an outlier: when Jesus issued the instruction for the "Our father prayer" (Cath)
he was talking to people who were not "anointed". he did not say your : "future adoptive father" , or "father in law" . by the same token,
he passed the bread and wine, according to wt practise reserved for the "anointed", as an outward mark of their status, to the same people, who were not "anointed"
wt confuses the new covenant, with the kingdom covenant. really sloppy concordance reading.
They do not baptise new members in the "name of the father" either.
JWs are taught to wait for the future, slave on, their present live, unfulfilled, belongs to JWORG.
i am friends with an elderly 'worldly' woman, who was unaware i am an ex-jw.
she employs a jw husband and wife pioneer couple for odd jobs around her house- mowing, cleaning etc.
the couple has been working for her and her recently deceased husband for years.. just before the 2019 international convention, despite the fact that the husband was fighting his last battle with illness, the couple kept asking him to attend the convention with them.
that lady was nothing more than a potential convert
SB and as such, "counted" as a backcall, return visit, and hours in the "field" ministry. Pioneer hours on pay.
i don’t care about politics, books you are reading, movies and tv programs you’re watching, etc..
JJ, but in the big schemes of things, , do not consider it as time wasted because you traveled under wt auspices. consider it part of your formation and build on it.
what is the purpose?
the skits are not real.
i have been assigned a reading again.
wt has stopped training young new, non-elder family speakers.. talent does not count, is seen as a threat.
