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  "Great Crowd" important detail glossed over

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the latest study wt gives another glowing report from rutherford's time:.

  in his talk, brother rutherford identified those whowould make up the “great multitude” (king james ver-sion), or “great crowd,” mentioned at revelation 7:9. un-til then, this group was thought to be a secondary heav-enly class that was less faithful.

  brother rutherford usedthe scriptures to explain that the great crowd are notchosen to live in heaven, but they are christ’s othersheep who will survive “the great tribulation”.

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  waton

  nbd. great thread. This emotional standing up is referred to as Vox populus, vox dei. as the people speak, God spoke.

  The other shepp are Cornelius & co, not the other (non-anointed ) sheep. here is wt admission:

  wt April 15, 1995 question from readers:

  "revelation describes the great crowd only after the great tribulation--" so:

  you can not come out of something that does not exist [yet].

  In my days we used to teach the great tribulation cut short, in the middle between 1918 and Armageddon, to let the Great Crowd come out of it, from the empty time gap, (even if the greatest war disaster tribulation happened then and there, during that non tribulation hiatus. )

  Now the question is, why is the GT cut short on account of the chosen ones, to save their flesh, when the anointed are lifted , called, raptured to heaven in the beginning of the Great Tribulation anyway? and:

  why are these questions about the great crowd not allowed?
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  Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

  apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

  does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

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  S B, thanx, sorry I cant read the fine print. looks intriguing though key points?

  I find reassuring that Jesus stipulated, that Judges will be held to the same standards as the judged.

  J.J. j. I am thinking of the other J, Joseph, how that turned out.
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  Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

  apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

  does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

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  waton

  f we discuss topics based on a baseless thing, its all in vain

  EA: it is great exercise to debunk bible / wt teachings, free ourselves and others from wtthink.
  
  
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  Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

  apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

  does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

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  waton

  Is there one tangible evidence for a resurrection, so far ?

  EA: these are all stories.. paper is patient.

  some of these characters possibly pay 3-4 times for their and Adam's sin: 1) when they died, 2) died again after their resurrection, 3) because jesus died for them and 4) if they die possibly after the 1000 year are ended, in the" 4 corner of the earth" rebellion. who?

  well, for examples the "zombies" that came out of the graves in Jerusalem during the crucifixion / impalement episode.
  
  
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  Watchtower View on Resurrection - All Panda Bears?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a recent wt study was titled: “the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom and patience.

  apparently there was a lot of speculation on how those resurrected will be needing to be taught god’s ways in last weeks wt study.

  does anyone know how the watchtower tries to weasel out of the "resurrection of damnation"?.

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  How does the Watchtower explain away the 2nd resurrection? Anyone know?

  SB: wt does not explain away the 2nd resurrection, as understood by the churches. The 2nd resurrection to them is the Paradise, Panda resurrection, their almost Pan (all) resurrection. (like Pan American)

  Last week's article rumination reflected that, not a peep about their "first resurrection" (in Christ). to immortality, their 144 ooo, partaker anointed group, now overlapping. In wt land, these will be resurrected now, since 1919, rapture style.

  to wt believers, the judgement is not a review of past conduct, but a 1000 year process of conforming to wt instructions slaving for a 1000 years. The books opened are not the record of history, but the new "laws governing conduct life with the Pandas" like: "Thou shalt not build aeroplanes" ha ha.

  You never had a brain-wash "bible study" did you?
  
  
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  Wife in cult mode. What was the topic this past weekend 10-18-20

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. social
  2. family

  as always i preferece this post with a: i despise this cult!!!!

  so glad the boys dispise it as well.. so, as stated...she is in a cult mode and i am trying to figure out what the trigger was.

  the watchtower rag or .

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  waton

  gttm: May be song 123's melody stirred her up.? Not once did they mention the first resurrection, ( the ones that will be resurrected before paradise starts.) They did not mention marriage, mates' fates. The nightmare of waking up from the "sleep of death", and finding your widowed mate, that survived Armageddon, -- married to a perfect partner, but you barred for life to participate in libido?

  Anyway, married couples often can read each other's thoughts and if you find out the reason for the turn in mood, there is openings to expose the gap between truth and wt's religious fiction.
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  1914 a doctrinal lie that created an entire religion the Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when you think about it the jws was foundationaly created upon a single core doctrine which was created close to a 100 years ago, that is the doctrinal year of 1914 .. the leader(s) of the ibsa in 1919 proclaimed that jehovah had selectively chosen them or him as it were by j. rutherford, they also self identified themselves as the anointed class the faithful slave.. from all of these expressive endeavors a new religion sprung up eventually calling themselves the jehovah's witnesses.

  years and decades followed where more and more people were lured into the faith making themselves subservient devoted members as well, some also identifying themselves as the anointed class.

  the jws proclaimed through their leaders (gb) that they were true loyal witnesses to jehovah's will and purpose, but were they really ?

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  a3: if I remember right, wt writers use the parable of the sheep & goats to pronounce themselfs, or the "anointed" as the only "christ's brothers"

  Their's alone is the burden to preach the kingdom good news of 1914.

  They twist this scripture to mean publisher/pioneer hours to be the humanitarian help that merits life for the [other] sheep.

  wt does not recognize all the members of the 12 tribes of Israel [of god]*** as jehovah's witnesses but only the 144000 that are sealed out of them according to Rev. 7.

  *** "You are my witnesses oh Israel" Isaiah

  wt is wrong here, because if the anointed come out of the total tribe membership, the tribes must comprise more members, just as Israel was greater than just the priests and kings.
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  Anthony Morris depicts ex-members as ''Despicable Apostates''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is one of the many commandments jesus instructed his twelve apostles to keep, follow, and obey!.

  here is anthony morris ( supposedly selected by jehovah to keep, follow and obey the sayings of jesus ) name-calling and condemning enemies!

  the pharisees used to label people as well.

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  waton

  Can we give that dog a medal?? DD

  no, but if the owner uses handy paper to clean up the mess, ---
  
  
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  Sin came into the world - not true?

  by menrov in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  matt 5:27 “you have heard that it was said, ‘do not commit adultery.’ 28 but i say to you that whoever looks at a woman to desire her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.. this means that even before someone commits an act that is considered a sin or wrong but does think about it, that person actually already committed that sin or trespassing.. now read this:.

  rom.

  5:12 so then, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all people because all sinned— 13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world, but there is no accounting for sin when there is no law.. this means that there was already sin in the world before adam and eve actually ate the fruit.

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  waton

  OTWO, adultery is treason it destroys families, it takes a terrible toll on children it is a sin, it cuts a-sunder , creates a "sound" like in "Puget sound" , a separation.

  Now in evolution, adultery might produce a Kenian sowing his wild oats abroad and the target family nurture a presiding overseer. A adulterous mother might raise both a sprinter and a marathon champion, as half brothers. but if you want family, society peace and a safer pace. believe me,

  adultery is a sin. a breach of contract with all parties involved.
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  1914 a doctrinal lie that created an entire religion the Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when you think about it the jws was foundationaly created upon a single core doctrine which was created close to a 100 years ago, that is the doctrinal year of 1914 .. the leader(s) of the ibsa in 1919 proclaimed that jehovah had selectively chosen them or him as it were by j. rutherford, they also self identified themselves as the anointed class the faithful slave.. from all of these expressive endeavors a new religion sprung up eventually calling themselves the jehovah's witnesses.

  years and decades followed where more and more people were lured into the faith making themselves subservient devoted members as well, some also identifying themselves as the anointed class.

  the jws proclaimed through their leaders (gb) that they were true loyal witnesses to jehovah's will and purpose, but were they really ?

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  waton

  1919? listened to by a german: nein tien nein tien.

  on record for 1919: german cabinet maker shop making signs: "--millionen werden nie sterben"

  proclaimer book page 426.

  if god selected them, then, really? , it must have been to show what false prophets looks like.

  a double whammy, 1) pretending to speak for god, and 2) predicting what even by their doctrines did not, can not come true.