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  1914 Dropped

  by pale.emperor in

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  so i was observing an online conversation between a jw and a former-jw.

  the non-jw pointed out that wwi cant have had anything to do with satan supposedly being "cast out of heaven" because wwi was already well under way in oct 1914.. the jw proceeds to explain that satan was actually thrown down to the earth in 1915 and that he started to wreak havock on the earth from heaven knowing he was about to be cast out.. so 1914 is officially old light now?

  does anyone have a source for that or was this brother lying through his teeth?.

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  waton

  1914 will be the date that Jesus’ coronation ceremony began, DD:

  and the start of the "anointed" the "bride", to also becoming the generation that will not pass away, and overlap in 2 groups.

  wt has the story wrong here , not because 2 centenarians like F. Franz, overlapping by 20 years will get us to 2075, but

  if all the "anointed" will not pass away until all has happened,

  they might make it to the post-Armageddon "wedding" alright, but miss their reserved place in the army of 144 001 immortals, killing all the babies, apostates and all those that did not subscribe to The Awake & Watchtower, or Jw.Org.
  
  
  
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  Why Jehovah`s Witnesses are wrong emphasising the name Jehovah.

  by smiddy3 in

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  hi friends, feel free to correct me where i`m wrong with this post.after all it`s just my observation of jw`s and the bible.. in the beginning of gods dealings with adam it was on a personal level , god to man so to speak.. god then dealt with humans via the patriarchs , then with the levi priesthood ,then judges ,( and a woman was a judge ) then kings ,somewhere in between all of this prophets played a major part ,and then came jesus christ the messiah.. and to my knowledge god has not validated a successor to him with any evidence i`ve seen .. jehovah`s witnesses claim to be christians but have with no new testament backing usurped jesus with jehovah.. this period of time ,until god says otherwise ,christians are to give honour and glory to none other than jesus christ .. that is the name that is above any other name until god says otherwise.

  phil.2:9-11. not the name jehovah .the bible never says anything about a kingdom of jehovah ,the coming kingdom is the kingdom of jesus christ with his associate 144,000 earthly subjects.. this is just my understanding of what the bible actually says .. whether i believe it or not is another matter..

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  If Jesus is their leader, as jws sang this week, why do they not follow his lead? He, who is on record to have never addressed his father with that name. Case in point: His last words while dying: "Father, why--" "Eli, Eli, --"
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  Steal in Iran and Get Your Fingers Chopped Off!

  by minimus in

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  three teens were convicted of stealing and the punishment is cut off their fingers.

  some past punishments were finger and foot removal.

  pretty barbaric but i bet they don’t have too many looters there..

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  Rape is a crime of power and violence, not lust. f218

  ,you must never have experienced the strength of the male sex drive. either way, the Iranian solution would render the rapist powerless. Their kind should be prevented from inflicting their crimes on the rest of us. They should be prevented from spreading their genes into the future humanity. imho.

  as to the person with the shortened hands, They would be great greeters at walmart, baumarkt. banks. seeing the consequences of their craft would guide potential thieves' shopping / chopping experience.
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  Steal in Iran and Get Your Fingers Chopped Off!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  three teens were convicted of stealing and the punishment is cut off their fingers.

  some past punishments were finger and foot removal.

  pretty barbaric but i bet they don’t have too many looters there..

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  not too many repeat looters anyway , works for rapists too. see

  New York Times on Nigeria.
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  Where have the NWT Bible changed verses to fit their theology ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  i can think of two to start off with .

  john 1:1 and luke 23:43 ,what others can you come up with ?.

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  Very soon that Zombie event would be eliminated from the NWT.

  AS: if the mightiest force in the universe, and there are truly mighty forces at play here, can not manage not come up with a clear text,

  how about the rest of the fantasy tale that rests on that foundation?
  
  
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  Do Other Sheep have Eternal Life Now?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  one of the benefits of justification is eternal life for believers.

  i found an interesting passage from the wt, june 15, 1974 which reads:.

  "it is to the spirit anointed christians who will rule in that kingdom that most of the christian-greek scriptures is directed, including the promise of everlasting life.

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  the anointed gained immortality whereas the other sheep gained everlasting life s3:

  The partakers have to give up everlasting life to gain immortality. All immortal ones ( except the father) , had first an earthly right, hope of everlasting life, including Jesus.

  With everlasting life you are vulnerable, can be killed, starve to death.

  what was the tree of life for after all?, to repair such damage.***

  *** The tree of live was not a forbidden fruit, perhaps even a staple in the diet to maintain the "all was good" of creation.

  not endorsing, the talking snake story.
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  Where have the NWT Bible changed verses to fit their theology ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  i can think of two to start off with .

  john 1:1 and luke 23:43 ,what others can you come up with ?.

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  From this week's Jesus study 132. The resurrected corpses, going into Jerusalem, to be seen there. Math 27 52, 53.

  wt version: it is people that happened to be in the cemetery that saw the resurrected holy ones and went into Jerusalem to be visible there.

  Wt theology demands that only GB members can resurrect on record.

  This bible passage ranks among the fairy tale level anyway.
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  Do Other Sheep have Eternal Life Now?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  one of the benefits of justification is eternal life for believers.

  i found an interesting passage from the wt, june 15, 1974 which reads:.

  "it is to the spirit anointed christians who will rule in that kingdom that most of the christian-greek scriptures is directed, including the promise of everlasting life.

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  One sequence of steps culled from different publications is, that all christians by virtue of partaking (John 6) have everlasting life, which means restoration of the perfect human condition.

  The wt "anointed" have to sacrifice that earthly privilege to obtain the heavenly calling as bsw also did J.C. , the second Adam .

  not endorsing just mentioning.
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  Belgium: Jehovah's Witnesses will be tried for hate crimes on February 16.

  by yalbmert99 in

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  belgium: jehovah's witnesses will be tried for hate crimes on february 16.. https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200915_93224449.

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  Vdh, is the case about peoples behaviour or wr policies of enforcement?
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  Belgium: Jehovah's Witnesses will be tried for hate crimes on February 16.

  by yalbmert99 in

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  belgium: jehovah's witnesses will be tried for hate crimes on february 16.. https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200915_93224449.

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  VdH, Can extremist escape prosecution because their ancient texts demand action against infidels?

  If wt gives freedom to chose shunning or not, why are violators punished?

  Of course I discourage my family to greet the pedophiles, and " adulterous eyes" in the congregation, but I can avoid being punished for that, almost.