Posts by waton

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Resurrection to Heaven

by Lost in the fog in

ct russell said the dead would be resurrected to heaven from 1874-1881.. then the judge decided that it was not 1874/5 for the return of christ but 1914, so moving the heavenly resurrection forward to be from 1914-1918.. in truth nobody knows when it happens or happened.

just because the watchtower leadership says something in the printed word doesn't mean that it is true.

zion's watchtower 1881, january.

waton

Edit: so this lot of GB have given themselves some breathing room, and when the max date is reached they will all be dead,

FF: not only will they be dead, if that happens at the beginning of the Great Tribulation, their remains will be nowhere to be found, disposed by angels, like the first anointed one's was.

to recapitulate, a second F. Franz but having better , modern care, would have been 21 in 1992. would live past 2070, > 80 years after 1992. give 2 years for the GT, Armageddon, that in 2075 to the PPP, the millenium.

It is not later than you think, but it will be longer than they think.

read 1975- 2075 please, a family story. posted here.

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Resurrection to Heaven

by Lost in the fog in

ct russell said the dead would be resurrected to heaven from 1874-1881.. then the judge decided that it was not 1874/5 for the return of christ but 1914, so moving the heavenly resurrection forward to be from 1914-1918.. in truth nobody knows when it happens or happened.

just because the watchtower leadership says something in the printed word doesn't mean that it is true.

zion's watchtower 1881, january.

waton

Diagenesis sister, please read the experience in the 1975 to 2075 topic.

A 15+ year baptised, conceived unexpectedly and born in ~1973 was with Franz in Bethel, is now in his mid 40s and will live like Franz and his forbearers into the early hundreds, ~ 58 years from now, dying before the end as he must, in ~ 2075.

read it please. 1975-2075. a composite family story. posted here

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Resurrection to Heaven

by Lost in the fog in

ct russell said the dead would be resurrected to heaven from 1874-1881.. then the judge decided that it was not 1874/5 for the return of christ but 1914, so moving the heavenly resurrection forward to be from 1914-1918.. in truth nobody knows when it happens or happened.

just because the watchtower leadership says something in the printed word doesn't mean that it is true.

zion's watchtower 1881, january.

waton

CTR was buried in a big funeral with signs "gone home". that will not be the same according to wt with the last of the anointed generation, as late as 58 years from now, They will be miraculously disposed of by angels, like Jesus. All this at the beginning of the Great Tribulation, ahead of Armageddon the judgement, eternal life for the sheep.

as explained by D.S.and the wt charts.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

waton

Mr Roboto is not a flat earther, but he insinuates he can prove their claims, but never does. so, in the meantime he is acting like a manipulative husband that is convincing his wife that she is insane, now,

who would want that to happen among the people that have seen through the wt works? proven wt wrong?

who would want us to feel that our absolutely right arguments, proofs are futile?

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

waton

if any of you are in the Bay Area--prove kairos

you canthere look across ~ 60 miles of water, similar toward Chicago on Lake Michigan, the refraction alone stretch the image. the water has a clear curvature over that 60 miles. lots of good math on that.

The only thing you will prove that you are not doing your math.

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Resurrection to Heaven

by Lost in the fog in

ct russell said the dead would be resurrected to heaven from 1874-1881.. then the judge decided that it was not 1874/5 for the return of christ but 1914, so moving the heavenly resurrection forward to be from 1914-1918.. in truth nobody knows when it happens or happened.

just because the watchtower leadership says something in the printed word doesn't mean that it is true.

zion's watchtower 1881, january.

waton

according to wt that first resurrection started in 1918, and will be over not later than 2075. but before all these things occur.

problem a) The anointed are not supposed to die, and be resurrected before the end, even Armageddon, and the sheep and goats are judged.

problem b) 2 Tim 2:18, those that say the resurrection has already occurred have deviated from the truth.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

waton

Did you know that moon shadow is warmer than moon light? kairos

Have not checked this, but: the moonshadow reflects earthshine, and the rays coming back from that are mostly in the infrared, warmer. Anyway if the moon is smaller, made from the same stuff outside has to be a ball because of gravity, how can the Earth, mostly water outside and bigger, not be drawn into a ball too? and:

why is the moonshadow terminator curved, and changing all the time? because it is a turning ball, just like the earth.

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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.

waton

Did Abel offer lamb meat mutton, foreshadowing the the lamb of god?

where would he have put the meat of inedible the meat?

Is that how valuable your doctrine consider life?

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

waton

All the ardeur here, to convince the flat earthers of their error, is just a standing in effort for what we wish we could do for the spiritual disc joke-ys, the JWs. living in their 2 D disk-o thek world. looking at charts, that are disproving their claims.

excellent refutations:

the lunar eclipses at night time, The low polaris as seen near the northern equator region. The jws videos even, the sun rising in what to us Northers looks like the west.

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1975 to 2075 a family story.

by waton in

a fictional, composite tale of many true elements from a city called bostronno.

a young family man from a devout jw family was swept away in the late 60s by the enthusiasm to be in paradise by 1975. it all started at a book study with some very sincere and serious bible study members.

he turned his branch of the prosperous family business over to his brothers, and searched for a place to serve the rest of the old system's time out- in comfort and where the need was great.

waton

so, what's the story? big deal?

crisis of conscience of a middle aged anointed that is the story, and wt's failed doctrines. their collapsing claim to fame.

The hero yearns back to his teen years, when young sisters moved up to him, struggles with those fading desires now, and

all these thousands of new partakers, are they replacements, if he falls? are thousands of anointed failing ? and

his concern for the Sheep, their judgement. His generation is supposed to be there when they are judged to enter everlasting life, as Jesus said. but he realises there is much wrong with wt's doctrine now. He, his generation is passing away at the beginning of the Great Tribulation,~ 2073, but Jesus said the generation would not.

perhaps it was, it is wrong, and is all for nothing?