Posts by Scully

Well, a gift is supposed to be something the recipient will prize and cherish. It sounds like you did right by him. You were thoughtful, generous, organized and went above and beyond, imo.

The fact that he refuses to buy anything for you tells me that he does not appreciate you, doesn't care about what you like or cherish and is a selfish asshat on top of it. Frankly I think his behaviour is far more offensive than a gold cross ought to be to him. You are his WIFE. He promised to love, honour and cherish you, and he pulls a stupid stunt like this?? Tell me, do you feel loved, honoured and cherished??

No wonder you had doubts about making it to your anniversary. Your mistake wasn't buying yourself a gold cross. Your mistake was marrying a JW.

I'd tell him that a divorce is going to be far more expensive than a gold cross. I'd take the watch back too. He doesn't deserve it.

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People have a right to preserve their culture race and identity!!!

by Joliette in

one of the biggest things that bothered me as a jehovahs witness was the whole 'we are the world' bullcrap that they used to teach, and that culture, color, and race didnt matter.

as far as i'm concerned thats a bunch of bs.

people have a right to preserve who they, where they came from, and they have a right to be represented.

Scully

Multi-culturalism was fine when it meant that there were celebrations in each town and city that showed off the traditional dress, cuisine and arts of the various cultures. It's turned into a monster that has been used against our own culture - we dare not have any displays of Anglo pride or white pride, lest we be accused of racism, while everyone else is allowed to celebrate their culture and identity, and receives public money to help them do it.

What it's turned into is a society where "cultural identity" is used as a playing card to create an unfair advantage over other whose cultural background is considered 'the norm' (i.e., white anglo saxon), all other things being equal. I have a kid who will likely never be able to get a job where he wants to work, because he is white, anglo saxon and male. Preference is given to other candidates of other cultural backgrounds.

One of my parents is an immigrant, my other parent's grandparents were immigrants. Survival at that time required integration - learning the language, adopting the customs and language that were in use when they arrived. My grandmother once scolded my grandfather for speaking in their native language - telling him (in her thick accent) "We're in Canada now, speak English."

Integration helped people learn to get along, imo, and I don't see the same effort on the part of more recent immigrants to try to get along with the people whose country they wish to make their new home. I don't know how many Somali and Saudi women I've tried to help with their newborns, who cannot communicate in English or French. They keep to their own kind - they don't want to get along with us, yet we have to bend over backward to accommodate them.

That being said, I agree with you, Joliette, that the WTS made a mockery of acceptance of all races, languages and cultures. They International Conventions™ used to have a highlight ceremony where people that came from other countries would be paraded around in their national costume and we all clapped like trained seals, because we were told this was how it would be in the Paradise™. Yet, the next day, those costumes were put away and all those foreign delegates were dressed in suits and dresses like everyone else.

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I'am in the Penalty Box! I asked the Circuit Overseer "Who Donates Blood For Jehovah's Witnesses Blood Fragments".

by AuntConnie in

told my husband to put a muzzle on my mouth over the blood dogma.

we all were driving around in field service when the topic of "which fragments would you take if you were in a car accident or cut yourself badly".

said his choice is a personal one, another sister with chronic health problems said she had no problem with the governing body's new light on taking various fragments.

Scully

Taking but not giving blood? The WTS is exactly the same with money!!

Maybe the "blood from a stone" saying refers to their cynical stone hearts!

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Faders shunned now?

by Sammy Jenkis in

hi all so my family had their c.a.

last weekend and my mother dropped this one on me, she'll now be treating me as a df'd person per info she received from a talk at the assembly.

apparently a fader should be treated as "bad association" given the fact they up and left the holy "truth" to splash around in vomit.. .

Scully

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Faders shunned now?

by Sammy Jenkis in

hi all so my family had their c.a.

last weekend and my mother dropped this one on me, she'll now be treating me as a df'd person per info she received from a talk at the assembly.

apparently a fader should be treated as "bad association" given the fact they up and left the holy "truth" to splash around in vomit.. .

Scully

With the exception of family members, I'd be perfectly fine with JWs shunning me - except I prefer preventative shunning. It's a kind of do-unto-others-before-they-do-unto-you kind of thing.

What usually ticks them off more than anything is when you smack them with the reality of how "loving" shunning really is.

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How Do I Explain To My TalkTherapist That JW's Believe They Will Never Die?

by LoisLane looking for Superman in

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friends

i know for us exjw's that have awakened from this religion, it seems incredulous that we ever.

could have believed we were going to live forever and never die.. not just never die, but never die, like i was raised to believe with.

the millions now living will never die, garbage.. i said that to my highly educated professional therapist last week.. her eyes got big, and she said gently as to a child, "loislane, we are all going to die".. yes, i know that now, but that is not what my religion taught and i believed, for 60 years.. any thoughts on how i explain this lunacy to her?.

Scully

I think the Armageddon is Coming, Any Day Now, Really Really Soon message got hammered into our thoughts with such urgency, such tenacity, that we were probably powerless to stop it from taking hold. Then there were the ominous warnings of The Composite Sign in Matthew 24 - wars, famines, etc. that everything seemed to fit together. It was as if we'd been "privileged" to understand what others couldn't - that was all part of the scam. All we had to do was put our lives on hold, preach Door-to-Door, go to Meetings and Assemblies and Conventions where all of these thoughts are reinforced, avoid getting too close to outsiders and dissenters (who might undo the brainwashing) and give our money to the WTS. That seems like a small price to pay for such a huge payoff!!

I think the most difficult thing we have to do as we exit the cult is admit to ourselves that we bought into the lie, hook, line and sinker. It can mess with your head that we were so gullible, so DUMB, for so many years. How could I be so *stupid*???? We weren't stupid. We were vulnerable, for whatever reason, and JWs prey on that vulnerability. The WTS are predators. Remember how we were taught to seek out potential Bible Studies: someone who is new to the neighborhood, maybe newly married, newly divorced or separated, or maybe a new baby, or have children who have left home. They are looking for people who may be temporarily emotionally off-balance, in a state of transition, which makes them vulnerable to being ensnared.

Nobody wakes up one day and decides to join a cult. The cult *recruits* you. They have targeted you and played to your vulnerabilities - that's how they've been trained. Vulerable people, including children raised in that environment, have no training or experience in counter-intelligence to effectively do battle with cult mind control tactics. How do you suppose that educated people, doctors, lawyers, engineers, physicists, etc. end up being advertising material in the Awake! magazine??

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How Do I Explain To My TalkTherapist That JW's Believe They Will Never Die?

by LoisLane looking for Superman in

jw
friends

i know for us exjw's that have awakened from this religion, it seems incredulous that we ever.

could have believed we were going to live forever and never die.. not just never die, but never die, like i was raised to believe with.

the millions now living will never die, garbage.. i said that to my highly educated professional therapist last week.. her eyes got big, and she said gently as to a child, "loislane, we are all going to die".. yes, i know that now, but that is not what my religion taught and i believed, for 60 years.. any thoughts on how i explain this lunacy to her?.

Scully

Rev. I don't remember the chapter and verse. The one that says death will be no more neither mourning nor outcry nor pain; the former things have passed away.

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How Do I Explain To My TalkTherapist That JW's Believe They Will Never Die?

by LoisLane looking for Superman in

jw
friends

i know for us exjw's that have awakened from this religion, it seems incredulous that we ever.

could have believed we were going to live forever and never die.. not just never die, but never die, like i was raised to believe with.

the millions now living will never die, garbage.. i said that to my highly educated professional therapist last week.. her eyes got big, and she said gently as to a child, "loislane, we are all going to die".. yes, i know that now, but that is not what my religion taught and i believed, for 60 years.. any thoughts on how i explain this lunacy to her?.

Scully

Well, it *is* what we were taught. And not believing that wasn't an option. If we disbelieved, it was a 'lack of faith' - or worse: apostacy.

I used to compare the awakening to the reality of the JW world view as false as similar to the way a child comes to the realization that Santa Claus isn't real. In fact I listened to a podcast about secular parenting recently that made a similar comparison, only went a little further in saying that the way a child comes to realize that Santa isn't real is actually a kind of trial run for believers in god who come to a similar conclusion later in life.

The Thinking Atheist Podcast: Secular Parenting with Dale McGowan

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Discussion w/ Wife: I Welcome Your Suggestions

by breakfast of champions in

so these last few wts have definitely eroded my wife's faith in the org.

she is definitely seeing the bs, and i even overheard her talking openly about it to a family member.

good for her!.

Scully

Ask her whether she thinks JWs' preaching efforts would be more fruitful if they stole a page from other religions' playbooks, such as:

building hospitals
providing shelters and clothing for homeless people, battered women and abused children
having food banks for the financially impoverished

If she thinks those things are helpful, ask her why the WTS doesn't do any of those things?